No shoes off and new procedures for 12 and under coming soon

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Spence1097, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Plus, it's the same people all the time, the elderly and the disabled for example.
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  2. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    1) It's not rare.
    2) It's not a "pat down".
  3. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    If this was just a "pat-down", why is there the constant training about it? Do real police officers have to have constant training on pat-downs? Seems like maybe there's more to it.
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  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Well, they are the last line of defense :rolleyes: in the War on Terror :rolleyes:.

    These "pat downs" would prevent another 9/11! :rolleyes: so they have to make sure to get all the way up into your resistance :rolleyes:.

    Well that, and the workforce seems infinitely untrainable. I think Bart really does have his hands full.
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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Unintended pun?
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Bart, first person accounts from people receiving pat downs, partial pat downs after WBI, and so forth question your objectivity.

    Perhaps you should request from TSA an opportunity to travel around the country for a couple of weeks as a PFC testing various TSA checkpoints, it might open your eyes to what is really happening.
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  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    In airports WITHOUT scanners I see a steady number of people getting groped. Not RPD, but the full monty, except that they don't go up into the crotch, except for one case. Always somebody in those obscene glass holding tanks.
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  8. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    Here's my personal perspective.

    I'm one of the 'lucky' folks who is unable to assume and hold the position in the NoS. Each time, I explain this, and each time I'm reminded that I'm 'opting out' and each time I get a full-body grope.

    Prior to the NoS, I never got pulled aside.

    That's 'frequent' from my perspective.
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  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Not for those who're groped every single time for various reasons. But why should you let facts get in your way now, when you've never let them stop you before?
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  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    When the trainers are incompetent and/or the trainees are incompetent or both, simple procedures are too complicated.
  11. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    I wonder how much TSA spends on training and if outside contractors like Chertoff's buddies are involved in any way.

    Not pointing fingers, but I've spent a lot of years in this area. It shouldn't be that hard. Most fast food places manage to do a much better job and they certainly aren't budgeting for hours of training each week.
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  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Most fast food places hire people who're interested in doing the job instead of power-tripping, stealing stuff, and sticking their fingers in other people's orifices.
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  13. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    Seriously. It's beyond silly jokes - all we hear in the media is 'more training'. I have never worked in or around any other organization that allowed its people to spend so much time in training.

    TSA lies so much, it's impossible to know what the truth is. The work force theoretically should be drawing from a pool somewhat more ambitious than fast food joints - after all, we hear that there are 'many' retired/ex- LEOs and military folks. Um...did the ex-LEOs and military folks get those kind of 're-training' opportunities when they screwed up while on active duty? I suspect not.

    Yes, things change, but guess what, they change all the time at pizza joints, too.

    If the initial training of an employee didn't 'take' for whatever reason, why would one assume that repeating the same training, even if it's on a one-on-one basis, would get better results? Especially if the need for 're-training' is widespread (and based on TSA HQ blather, it is constant). That rules out the possibility that one 'bad apple' TSO is just ignoring the training.

    TSOs either don't ask each other when they don't know or they ask another TSO who doesn't know. Again, what is going on? We're not talking about obscure tricky little things. We're talking about the problems folks are having right now getting the new GE card recognized. (Aside from that - who was the genius that designed a card that doesn't say WHO produced the card - numerous TSOs have apparently been taught to look for just that. :trash:)

    I also wouldn't be surprised if much of the training is big budget waste - expensive useless materials, etc.

    One of the recommendations for helping EWR get its act together is additional 8 hours of training a month! (How is that even fair to other TSOS - these guys screwed up so bad that even DHS admits a problem, and so the answer is to let them go fart around 're-training' for a day a month? Do outstanding TSOs get to pursue advanced training for 8 hours a month of work time as a reward for good behavior?)

    And just a nit...Nappy blathered on again about needing months to train 50k+ TSOs to try to keep their hands off kids' genitals.

    LEOs and military in combat have to learn 'new' things all the time, and they do not have the luxury of taking 'months', especially if the 'new' process they have to be trained on is keeping hands off kids' genitals. Not knowing a new procedure could be life-or-death for these guys.

    Fast food joints have to roll things out quickly because there's a profit motive involved - you want your folks up-to-date and on the job working, not in the back playing training.
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  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    In the Nightly News video that I linked to last evening, Nappy is heard to say that the new screening procedures for kids will begin after the staff is trained in the new procedures.

    What training is necessary? TSA issues a memo stating these are the new procedures and you will follow them. End of story.

    As for the older woman and her diaper, I am going to venture that this was sad result of a couple of screeners on a power trip. After all, hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals wearing incontinence products go through checkpoints every day and this is the only instance we have heard about. I would also venture that had it happened before or since, the victim or the caregiver would be broadcasting the fact to the media and on the internet.
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't think anything of substance is going to change at TSA.

    TSA screeners are still going to be feeling up little children, teenagers, adults, and our elders. They will still justify these assaults as protecting their jobs because they sure aren't protecting anything else.
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  16. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Oh, no, totally intended.
  17. jackonferry

    jackonferry Original Member

    I count when I am standing in line. At least 1/3 of the people going through WBI at PIT and LAX are getting patted down. That doesn't count the people who can't or won't go through the machines.
  18. Just to clarify, if I opt my children out of the scanner, does that count as requesting a patdown? In what other scenarios might someone request their child be patted down?
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  19. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    You have to be bat-stuff-crazy to equate opting a child out of the scanner with requesting the child be "patted down."

    The TSA employees and their kooky leadership seem to equate the two, and I think this is the ultimate proof that they're all dangerous deviants.
  20. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Based on how TSA talks, I think that's exactly what that means.
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