NY Times: With Hair Pat-Downs, Complaints of Racial Bias

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Aug 16, 2011.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Every joint they find let's them +1 their stats & gives them another opportunity to beat on their chests. A good defense attorney could turn this around (use subpoena & discovery to dig in to their training scenarios), but who's going to hire a defense attorney over the amount of drugs you can hide in your hair?
     
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Just make sure it's out before hide it there. :D
     
  3. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Of course it does. If you can't find a terrorist, a druggie is the next best thing.
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The story is picking up steam ....

    Baltimore Sun: TSA hair pat-downs draw ire of black women

    Black Entertainment Television (BET): T.S.A Hair Pat Down Angers Black Woman: Is natural hair dangerous? See why latest security requirement gets a major side-eye.

    Whether there's really discrimination or not, "an enemy of an enemy is a friend". :)
     
  5. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    There are tons of things that can be obscured/smuggled in a large hairdo. With a couple of bobby pins and long hair, you can secure most types of prohibited items in place and style the hair over it to cover the item(s). The only prohib I have seen personally in someones hair was a carbon fiber knife, and once during a test a detonation harness. As long as it is not really heavy, and the person has long hair, it can be held in place fairly easily.
     
  6. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Many tactics used by drug mules and smugglers will work for items of destruction and weapons as well. Not for nothing, but many of the suicide bomber tactics are the same things done to smuggle drugs. Body packing, fake preggo bellies, the fake booda belly, shoes, even inside LAG containers all those are tactics used to take items that are destructive to their destinations, they have also been used in the mule community quite a bit more frequently.
     
  7. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    As for discrimination? These pat downs are based on policy, but without more specific information, I would be able to state one way or the other, this sounds like it will boil down to which group has the better lawyers (the legal equivalent of he said, she said).
     
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But a carbon fiber knife would show up on a Nude-O-Scope, no?
     
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  9. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    LOL! I may be a blonde, but I am not a dumb blonde!!

    (anticipating blonde joke in 5...4...3...)
     
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  10. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    OK, fine, so answer this: Why do they pat down people with short, stringy, or thin/fine hair...or even balding men??? Is that just stupidity on the part of the screeners, who know only about following procedure and not what the procedure is intended to accomplish?
     
  11. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    BTW, thanks to Rugape and BillForster for confirming my suspicion that the TSA's hidden mission is drug interdiction. I would not be surprised if the EDT machines are callibrated to detect trace amounts of drugs as well as explosive ingredients. Does anyone care to elaborate on that?
     
  12. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Of course. That's why when it comes to bragging on that ridiculous BDO program, they yak up the (paltry) number of drug arrests.

    BTW, wouldn't you really be SAFER on a plane with a bunch of drug dealers? I mean, they just want to get where they're going, deliver the goods, and collect?
     
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  13. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I think any number of deadly weapons could be brought on board, if one had the will (which I don't).
     
  14. BillForster

    BillForster Original Member

    The ETD machines do have that ability from what I am told. They have many search options that are not utilized by the TSA but present on the machines. In fact, I am told that the machines were originally designed to detect drugs. However the TSA is not using them for this purpose at this time. It would not surprise me one bit it that changes.

    On this note I would like to point out that in all the time I worked there I never received any bonuses, rewards, awards or public thank yous for finding any weapons (despite finding many). I did however whenever I found drugs.

    Deafblonde I believe you are right. It is often the "stupidity on the part of the screeners" either not knowing the rules, blindly doing it to everyone, having an over zealous supervisor or being over zealous themselves.
     
  15. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Interesting -- in the Fofana case, where drugs were found, the search was held unlawful, in large part because the screener was being rewarded $250 for every drug find, making search not for weapons or explosives, but a general law enforcement shakedown.

    What we are seeing is the hideously mismanaged and ill-conceived "war on drugs" and all its abuses being turned loose on the general population, all in the name of "security."
     
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  16. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    WOW! That's the first time I heard that. It explains a great deal about SOP. Has TSA stopped the practice now?
     
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  17. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Don't know. This came out as a result of the criminal defense work done in the Fofana case. One thing TSA cannot stand up to is the power of the criminal court to force the government to fork over evidence, probably this never would have become known had they not prosecuted that case.
     
  18. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Which is why they want to move all cases to appeals (?) courts. Sneaky bast**ds!
     
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  19. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Problem is they can't do that with criminal cases, slight problem with the constitution (you know, jury trial and all that).
     
  20. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Just doing a quick read of these stories, it seems to me that TSA isn't really discriminating or racially profiling per se. It seems that, once again, TSA has been caught up by its own stupidity.

    It seems to me that the patting down of black women with fine, and by fine I mean outrageously awesome, hair is the result of ineffective AIT. It may also be that these women may have been wearing wigs, and who knows how that might show up, and therefore there is a mass of unexplained bobby pins and the like. So an "anomaly" is found and they get a hair pat down. This is different from the bald head everybody gets a head pat pat down of the opt out pat down variety. It sounds to me as if these women went in the AIT, their hair gave off some kind of anomaly, and they got the pat down of the head that white women wouldn't receive.

    Once again, TSA, your stupidity knows no bounds. You've employed a technology with a companion policy that targets a certain population unfairly. This is what happens when you purposefully break the bonds of a society whereby everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

    Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
     
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