Occupy movement crushed -- part of the pattern?

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Cartoon Peril, Nov 16, 2011.

  1. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I don't want to get too political here, but the big crush on the Occupy movement (was it necessary to tear gas the 84 year old woman in Seattle?) is just part and parcel of the whole security at any cost BS that we are seeing manifested at the airport and other transportation nodes. Tents? Sleeping bags? Drumming? What kind of threat is that? No matter what your politics are, I think everyone agrees that the country is in a (expletive deleted) of a mess, and when that happens people are going to speak their minds and that is a good thing.

    Sorry for the rant, but I see TSA as just a part of the security state.
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    It was fear on the part of the government that drove the coordination of the OWS protests - and it's going to backfire on them.
  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I agree. I think the vast majority of politicians fear the possibility of Ron Paul being elected President in 2012. He's radically different from anyone who's occupied the office in recent decades. He's a true believer in the Rule of Law. The current police state thuggery bolsters support for Ron Paul - big time.

    I don't like dramatic change, so I'm not really looking forward to having Ron Paul in office. I wish common decency wasn't so "radical." It would be better if some of the other candidates had some respect for our U.S. Constitution. There's always pain associated with rapid change. As a true conservative, I intensely dislike such disconcerting upheaval.

    Anyway, as we say in Casa Conley, "The forecast calls for pain." I fear that our Federal Government has strayed so far off track that the inevitable course correction will be very uncomfortable. The concurrence of the various assaults on "occupy" camps can't have been lost on the victims. It screams of collusion on a Federal level. It's going to push a lot of people away from "main stream" candidates and toward the default choice - Ron Paul.
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  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    the government doesn't mind if people "speak their minds" as they know this is largely ineffective and can be easily co-opted at the political level. they do care if actions are contemplated and carried out (protests, etc). they care about that a lot. and yes, the police state is here and has been for awhile. It's just that they are rather obvious about it now.
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  5. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I think this is absolutely right - it will backfire on them.

    The #ows movement is not going away anytime soon.
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The severity of the crackdown is in direct proportion to the perceived seriousness of the threat. At the beginning the elites -- and I include the media in that group -- ignored OWS. Then they ridiculed it. Now they're starting to take it seriously. The more seriously they take it, the tougher the police response.
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  7. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    That's how I see it too. I see this movement as huge.
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I think some believe this could be the beginning of our very own "Arab Spring."
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    That was exactly our inspiration when we started planning the occupation of Freedom Plaza 8 months ago. We even got advice from the Egyptians and Spaniards. We used their example in our first press releases. Long before there was OWS, long before anyone had any idea that this could become a movement in the U.S. We didn't know what would happen. One of our members, a longtime activist, even said, "Wouldn't it be great if we could hold out for 10 days? Two weeks??" He was giddy at the thought.

    Then OWS burst on the scene. Then spontaneous occupations all over the country. Now the occupation at Freedom Plaza has been there for 5 weeks. OWS for 8 weeks.

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