Olympics in London - sonic gun to be used

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Sunny Goth, May 12, 2012.

  1. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    First it's missiles on apartment rooftops and now a sonic gun.

    What is this, the Olympcis or an armed camp??

    more at link
    Olympics - Britain to deploy sonic gun at Olympcis

    LONDON, May 11 (Reuters) - Britain's military will be armed with a sonic device that can be used as a high-volume loudspeaker or a non-lethal weapon to disperse crowds at this summer's Olympic Games in London, the defence ministry said on Friday.

    The equipment, which can project a piercing sound over hundreds of metres causing physical pain, has been used during protests at the G20 summit in Pittsburgh in 2009 and against pirates operating off the Somali coast.

    The Ministry of Defence said it expected to use it primarily in loudspeaker mode to communicate with boats it wants to stop on the River Thames.
     
  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Armed camp!
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Unfortunately the Brits have no second amendment, in fact no Bill of Rights whatsover, and in the century after our revolution managed to abandon all their constitutional underpinnings in favor of parliamentary supremacy. We are very fortunate that our Constitutional Convention took all those rights that were so obvious and inalienable that they could never be taken away and protected them with our Bill of Rights just in case.
     
  4. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I enjoyed this Slashdot post quite a bit - I wonder if there's any shot of getting "torture weapon" to go viral in referring to LRAD, ADS, TASER, and other "toys" of militarized police.
     
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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Now, come on. The U.S. has already used LRAD and will use it again, we're developing more brutal weapons to use on our citizens all the time, we're getting sexually assaulted at the airport as a matter of course, stop-and-frisks without cause are now routine all over the country, warrantless searches are allowed and the FBI wants to keep it that way, they're arresting people in Charlotte for pre-crime, for god's sake, and the Bill of Rights hasn't stopped any of it.
     
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I refuse to use "nonlethal weapon" (just as I refuse to use "enhanced patdown" or "enhanced interrogation"). People who use those terms tell you everything you need to know about themselves. I've always called LRAD a torture device; same with Tasers.

    Language is powerful. Propagandists have always known that. If we want to fight propaganda, we have to know it, too.
     
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  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But in time the Bill of Rights gives us the means with which to stop it. When the government misbehaves, it's the post-conviction appeals and the civil suits that eventually force change. Without the Bill of Rights, they wouldn't happen, and organizations such as ACLU, EPIC and EFF would have no ground on which to initiate their actions.

    You need to be less of a defeatist in this. We are right, we will prevail, but until we do we have to keep pushing back.
     
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Of course we have to keep pushing back. I'm just pointing out that the lack of a Bill of Rights hasn't made Britain any worse off and the presence of one hasn't made us any better off. Both countries are employing the same rights-busting tactics and following the same repressive course. We're in synch, Bill of Rights or no Bill of Rights.

    As Canadian Robert MacNeil wrote long ago, "My ganglia do not quiver when someone mentions the First Amendment."
     
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But the Brits are basically in a put up or shut position -- they have little grounds on which to resist other than the EU Charter. If that works out too well for them, the British government will probably tell Brussels where to get off. Over time I think you're going to see much more successful push-back here than in the UK.
     
  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    The best way to solve this problem is to boycott the Olympics. Ignore all TV shows, News reports, etc that in any way showcase the Olympics.

    The police state needs to be forced into awareness that anything they touch becomes an anathema to the general population.
     
  11. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I agree, although I know it won't happen.
     

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