Passenger could be asked to give drink samples to TSA

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Monica47, Jul 3, 2012.

  1. He probably hasn't figured out how to spin this one. To be fair, this one's super tricky.
     
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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Ha! Tricky? Nothing's tricky for these spinmeisters. They live for tricky. Tricky is their stock in trade. Don'tchyaknow -- it's all For Your Safety!
     
  3. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Isn't it amazing how in the course of two days, a story could be written by a small, local news station, picked up nationally (courtesy of Drudge), and replied to in a blog post.

    Imagine if more stories like this appeared on all the TSA's idiotic practices.

    Too bad, though, that KJCT did not actually probe further into this practice, and left it with the TSA's word.
     
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    That would be SSI.
     
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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Finally had a chance to get this posted at TSA News:

    Have a Drink? The TSA Wants Some of That
     
  6. TSA News Blog

    TSA News Blog News Feed

    MonkeyMyshkin.jpg

    Every time you think the TSA can’t come up with anything more stupid or abusive, they prove you wrong.
    The latest — well, not the latest, actually, just finally picked up by the mainstream media — is that TSA agents, while randomly roaming around at the gate, well past the checkpoint, are not only singling out passengers for yet another grope or a paw through the bags, but also “testing” the beverages they’re drinking.
    I know — I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: you can’t make this stuff up.
    Yes, dear reader, that water or coffee or soft drink in your cup, the one you bought after you passed through the checkpoint, in the so-called sterile area? That could contain a bomb! And you didn’t even know it!
    Thank heavens the TSA is here to save the day. As they dip their little Magic Bomb-Detecting Stick into your beverage, be sure to smile and thank them. After all, they’re Keeping You Safe.
    It’s telling that this article from KJCT in Colorado has elicited, as of this writing, over 1,800 comments, most of them assailing the TSA for the idiocy of this policy, and many of them relating readers’ stories of their own about having their drinks “tested.” Yet compare that to the response when a story is published of people getting assaulted by the TSA. The outrage exhibited over the latter pales in comparison to that over the former.
    “Strip me, grope me, abuse me, molest my children — just don’t touch my drink!”
    Ah, ain’t it grand living in the Land of the Free?
    (Photo: Flickr Creative Commons/Monkey Myshkin)
     
  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Anyone who has the time, especially barbell, please go over to the original article from KJCT that began this thread, and search for comments by "Patrick Schrier." He sounds like he works for the airlines or something associated with aviation. He's not a troll, and he dislikes the TSA, but he doesn't believe the airlines are complicit in any way. I've tried to tell him, but I'm no expert in this department. Barbell, you and some others around here are. Please, if you have a chance, read our exchange and add your two cents.

    Oh, here; here's the exact link where this discussion starts:
    http://www.kjct8.com/news/Passenger...94098/-/2eprat/-/index.html#comment-577934850
     
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Reliable shill publication Government Security News:
    Edited to add: I left a comment Government Security News. But my comments there are rarely allowed to post.
     
  9. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member


    I added the same comment I posted to the blog, which Bob has not approved.


     
  10. People are making a great point about this in the TSA Blog comments, something y'all have probably thought about but somehow I missed: If they can test drinks, why don't they test our drinks from home at the checkpoint?

    I know two answers -- one, the test strips are phony (I'm convinced by the conversation over at the other site). Two, that would be a convenience for the traveler, and TSA is strongly against providing conveniences, pro providing hassles.
     
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  11. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    You made really excellent points-which is why he won't approval your post.
     
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Neither Saul's nor mine yet posted at Government Security News,
     
  13. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    In Washington State that would require a food handlers permit.
     
  14. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Come on, they ignore or place themselves above any law, code, amendment, rights, and process in the land already. why would they bend to food and health codes?
     
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This appears to be an issue where the mainstream media is finally treating TSA with some well-deserved :rolleyes: ...

    MSNBC: TSA Testing Drinks Upsets Some Passengers

    TSA employees at airports this summer have been checking beverages purchased on the other side of security, in the boarding area.

    "I do feel like it is going a little bit too far," according to passenger, Ashley Nathanson. "It seems a little unnecessary."

    Security agents don't touch the drink, or make the passenger throw it away, but a test strip is held over an open cup or container.

    NBC4 asked TSA what exactly they look for, but they didn't an direct answer. Instead they referred to their website which states: "These additional random tactics, such as gate screening, increase security by making it truly unpredictable."

    "They're been opaque about why they're doing this," according to aviation attorney, Ronald Goldman.
     
  16. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    The big question is what happens when y0u tell the Pedosmurf to insert his magic paper rectally.
     
  17. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I remember a while ago reading that people were saying "I decline to participate" and all the smurf-clerks could really do was follow them around whining "Please?"

    Might have changed, though.
     
  18. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Even that's going too far. I'd wave over a real cop and have the Pedosmurf charged with harassment. Depending on the jurisdiction, that could be an appearance ticket or an arrest/booking.
     
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If TSA feels a need to test beverages purchased in the Sterile Area I think we need to question why these vendors are selling beverages that are questionably not safe to consume. Perhaps TSA can address that point.

    Certainly the local health & food inspector authority needs to be contacted at each instance of TSA doing this.
     
  20. If the local health inspector is contacted, they need to be informed of any unsafe handling practices observed (i.e. passing everybody's non-sterile cups back and forth without changing gloves in-between).
     
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