Passport long form applications approved

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Sunny Goth, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    It looks like if the US government doesn't like you, and wants to make life miserable for you, they can require you to fill out a long form application for a passport.

    Here are a couple of the questions you might have to answer:

    List all your parent(s) residences one year before your birth.

    Please provide the names (as well as address and phone number, if available) of persons present at your birth such as medical personnel, family members, etc.

    The whole post is at Papers, Please, and is written by Ed Hasbrouck.

    And how do they verify the information that you give them? :confused:
  2. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    That's SSI!! :rolleyes:
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If I had to do that I would have to answer "Unknown" and it would be perfectly truthful.

    The questions I had to answer, many of which I didn't know the answer to, when completeing the paperwork for a certain security clearance was tough enough.
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I'll bet the end game here is that the Supreme Court ends up chucking this and reaffirming Kent v. Dulles.
  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Damn! If I didn't already have a passport, I'd apply just to see what kind of a form I'd be required to complete. And to each of these stupid questions, I'd answer like RB did: Unknown (even if I did know the answers).

    This is so disingenuous as the State Department already knows who it's going to deny for passports - why go through the charade? The answer, of course, is that State doesn't want to have to give true reasons for passport denial.
  6. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    It really does seem unconstitutional on its face.
  7. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I'm with you.

    I had a similar experience when getting ready to take the bar exam - list every place you've lived since age 18, list all your jobs/salaries since age 18, etc. I didn't know all of that stuff. The state bar was reasonable though (unlike the State Dept), and said to list what I could remember, and say words to the effect of 'I've done my best'.

    In the case of the passports, if I had to guess, 'unknown' isn't going to cut it - even though it's truthful.
  8. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Yeah, I agree. Also, I think it's aimed at people who are less likely to be able to afford an attorney to file a suit against them.
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I had to go back to childhood. I know that the investigators contacted the people I named on the document. I forget how long the process took but it was lengthy. Knowing the job I have had I can understand the reason behind the clearance process but someone should have warned us in grade school to keep a list of everywhere you lived and everyone you ever knew.
  10. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Yeah, no kidding. ;) I lived in relatively few places until I went to college - then I moved on average of once every six months.

    Everyone I ever knew? I don't think I'll ever try to get a security clearance. My memory is good, but not that good!!
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's about twice as often as I moved, and my mother could never understand why I moved so much.

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