Pervole: Beware "Underwear 2"

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by KrazyKat, Jul 19, 2013.

  1. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    The big question is: would it ever have been discovered if it had not been for the snitch?
     
  3. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    This seems to be a recycled story from last July. My Guess is that it sprung up after a bad Google search. I've noticed that Google sometimes returns links from the same date last year on a Last 24 Hours search.


    July 27, 2012, 3:55 PM
    U.S. looking for upgraded underwear bomb with different type of explosive, TSA says
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...mb-with-different-type-of-explosive-tsa-says/
    (CBS/AP) ASPEN, Colo. - U.S. security officials are on the lookout for a new type of explosive, after analysis of an upgraded underwear bomb intercepted by a CIA operation in Yemen.

    Transportation Security Administrator John Pistole told an audience at the Aspen Security Forum that the device smuggled out by a double-agent in an operation earlier this year was an upgrade from the underwear bomb carried by Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, to try to bring down a Detroit-bound airliner which was on route from Amsterdam on Christmas 2009. Abdulmutallab was one of the 300 people were on board Northwest Airlines Flight 253. At his trial, he called the underwear bomb a "blessed weapon" to avenge poorly treated Muslims.
     
  4. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Sometimes this is a trick that many news organizations are exploiting as well, they post a new story, link 4-5 older stories on the main page, and most of the net searchers will pop on anything on the page. I get this a lot when I am looking for TSA stories entered in the last 24 hours/hour - then I get something like "TSA agent charged with selling drugs" only to find it is from a couple of years ago... tacked on the bottom of an article about CBP cooperating with a local school... or DHS giving information to local LEOs on a human smuggling ring. Things of that nature pop (especially on the Goog) all the time, even Bing does it somewhat consistently.
     
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I usually don't get that with TSA news searches. It's certainly routine with Bing (news or not).
     
  6. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Good idea. It pops up as an option but I've seldom used it. I'll give it a try, maybe it will reduce the junk hits.
     
  7. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    A few of the fringe sites do this fairly often but I've become wary of them so it I don't get burned as often. A few times a "name" outlet has burned me on a story that I missed or have forgotten about.
     
  8. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Likewise. :oops:
     
  9. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    One of the worst that I have found is actually USAToday. I regularly get hits on articles from 4-8 years ago (on specific searches within the last 24 hrs). As a result, I pretty much avoid their site completely now.
     
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I get all of my hard news from the National Enquirer so I don't have those problems.
     
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  11. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    You just have to love *newsies* that quote sources like "Lenny on the corner of 4th and Main", "Clara the third cow from the end of the herd", "Frankie 4 and a half fingers" and "Bubba from the farm just outside of town". How could you not give their stories credence?
     
  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Trying to discredit critics much?

    I stand uncorrected. From my original post, from a current TIME swampland:
    It's Pervole who is recycling his own stories.:D
     
  13. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member



    Wow, so a comment on the National Enquirer is trying to discredit critics?
     
  14. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Yeah, a bit touchy. The entire thread became about sourcing and reposts. Except the original story was not a re-tread.

    More on topic:
    Please explain why your fearful leader can't do better than repeat himself verbatim at this annual industry *security* conference. An expense-paid opportunity to trot out his used panty-search justifications and be-afraid talking points to the media.

    I hate to think what the taxpayer gets fleeced from government and contractors to attend the Aspen Security Forum, to hear the latest from such important minds in the field.:rolleyes:
     
  15. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member



    The commentary on sourcing is a valid commentary, worthy of exploration by all of us. It is misleading to see the same headlines posted as new information over and over again, it is also intellectually dishonest to do that to the public. I would venture that you would prefer to see the current news articles, as opposed to things from 5 years ago resurfacing as "New this week in X news" (I know I would rather see current stuff so I can continue to educate myself about what is going on). We can *almost* always go back and look up things from the past if we need supporting information or to find trends or to develop a plan for addressing recurring issues.

    I can't presume to speak for the Administrator, but it could be that there was not much focus on this issue when it was originally sourced, or there could have been more reports indicating that this is still a viable (read that as something being actively pursued or talked about) threat matrix. Many things that are old become new again, many tried and true methods remain something relatively easy to place into action. The reason for this recycling of tactics is fairly simple - it works (at least sometimes anyway). If the Head Shed is still recieving reports about panty bomber v2.0, then it makes sense to raise awareness of it on a consistent basis. Of course, it could be that the speech writing team was on vacation and he simply used the one from last year to save time - but I seriously doubt it. I am of the opinion that they are still seeing some chatter about this method, maybe not like before, but enough to make them keep an eye out for it - but that is just my interpretation, I have nothing to verify or substantiate that opinion on.
     
  16. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't really disagree with what your saying but if skivvy bombers are lurking about we can all see that TSA is not prepared to deal with this threat matrix bar sticking TSA hands in travelers pants which is not acceptable to any reasonable person and is one of the major issues forcing the expansion Pay Check screening.

    TSA BDO programs have been proven to be a hoax. TSA Strip Search Machines, especially MMW variety, are not going to alarm on this item. The only tool TSA has at hand that might alert screeners to this threat is the ETD machines which are notorious for alarming on anything and everything. TSA had the answer years ago but tossed the Explosive Trace Portals in the trash, at great cost to taxpayers, instead of working out the issues with the devices.

    Rehashing stories from years ago is really not needed when TSA is the topic since TSA gives us plenty of new material to work with every day.
     
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  17. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Take it up with the "Head Shed" and his media lapdogs.
     

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