Plane Red & Avoid the TSA

Discussion in 'Travel' started by KrazyKat, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

  2. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    From the link:
    Until some Congress critter decides that security must apply to small planes as well :eek:

    I'd actually love to see their business model and projections - heck I might even become a cheerleader for PlaneRed if it's a slap in the face of TSA.
  3. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Signed up for their emails and updates and received this:

    Thanks for signing up!

    Our goal is to change the way we fly. No more buying outrageously priced tickets. No more lost luggage. No more middle seats in a cramped cabin. And no more TSA. ^

    By signing up we'll make sure you know what's happening as we build our airline - and you'll be among the first to know when we're ready to launch.

    A few weeks before we start flying we'll begin selling subscriptions. We will be rewarding our top referrers with the first subscriptions. To ensure that we're giving a high level of service to our subscribers we will have to limit the number of subscriptions we can accept. After that, we'll put customers onto a waitlist and activate the subscription as we add planes to our fleet. Long story short, spread the word and make sure you get one of our first spots!

    You can share about us on Facebook, Twitter or email (make sure to use your referral link:

    You can see how many friends have signed up by entering your email into again.

    The PlaneRed Team
  4. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I love this idea. I signed up too! This might just get me back on a plane. An airline just like we had back in the "good old days" - good thinking!
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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I posted this at Elliott Blog several weeks ago. Also signed up at that time. It's a great idea, though it's not going to help with overseas travel, obviously. I've given that up and just resigned myself to the fact that something I love so much, that's always been a core part of my life, is no more. Still, it's far less than what other people have had to give up in their lives (which I keep trying to tell my clueless friends).
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  6. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I admire you and others who are willing to sacrifice what they love to do in order to stand on principle. I won't fly for the same reasons you won't but it isn't much of a sacrifice for me because I was never a frequent flyer and am probably what would be called a homebody. I have found heaven on earth for me and really don't have much desire to travel to exotic or faraway places. I fight against the TSA more for those who have sacrificed than for myself. Plus what the TSA is doing is just so stinkin' wrong!
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  7. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Anyone have any insider info on Plane Red? Still just a landing page.
  8. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Not insider info, but as someone who signed up for more info: they responded to me that they are working on a west coast SFO-PDX-SEA circuit (I had asked about) in addition to their first NE market, and want to spread the word. No recent news. Hopefully no sudden series of unfortunate events to kill their effort.
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Latest info from PlaneRed landed in my inbox. Don't know if this link will work universally or if it's just for people who signed up last year:
  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, I just took the survey. They're proposing -- get this -- a membership fee of $900 a month.


    That's way, way out of my price range. Even back when I was making decent money I couldn't have afforded that. Obviously this is going to be an elite service for the upper crust. Oh, well. It was a nice dream while it lasted.
  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    the subscription is a non starter. I'd pay double or triple the going rate for a ticket, after that, I'm foldin.
  12. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    If you think about it, though, that's $10,800 a year, for from what I understand unlimited flights free from TSA strip and grab.

    Currently that is a little out of my price range. However, you'd essentially need to take 2 trips a month, and it's more than paid for itself. If I had the money, I'd sign up in a heartbeat, even though they aren't yet flying markets convenient to me, I imagine they'll expand rapidly if they are successful.
  13. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Hmm. The money is an issue but SFO-PDX-SEA is perfect for me. Giving this some real thought.
  14. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    All I can really hope is that this is intentionally high to try to cover costs, with the expectation of a sharp price drop once startup costs are recovered and operations start expanding and bringing in more revenue.

    It's similar to what NVidia/Ageia did with their PhysX processors - sold them at a price premium to the computer-gamer market (known for a propensity to drop $$$ on anything that gets them better framerates/higher FSAA) to fund the ramping-up of R&D for their intended market, which was scientific simulations. Researchers are more price- or value-conscious and so the initial cost would have been, as nachtnebel said, a non-starter, but to gamers with disposable income it was attractive since games are incorporating more and more physics simulations and effects.

    Not really sure if the industries are comparable or not, as airlines are more of a service whereas processors are more of a material good, but there might be some parallels that can be drawn.
  15. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  17. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    As an aside -- I surf with javascript turned off (I use noscript) and I turn stuff on as needed. I turned the script on for their page but it won't load unless I allow the ads to load. Doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy inside....
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    There's a similar airline in Oregon & Washington -- SeaPort Airline, recently starting service between Wenatchee & Portland, with stops in Yakima if the plane's not full. So far customers from Wenatchee have been filling the plane, sorry Yakima.

    Wenatchee World: SeaPort Airlines caps first week in NCW skies

    One caveat (this is in a sidebar, so it's not clear if the info came from SeaPort or just the reporter's speculation):

    They have a few other (not interconnected) routes in the Midwest & South & (under a DBA) Alaska: SeaPort Airlines in Wikipedia


    Wenatchee-Portland RT is $202 (nonrefundable), $342 (refundable) and they are sold out weeks in advance.

    To be honest, I don't see how SurfAir is going to make it when they are offering "all-you-can-fly membership" for $1,000 monthly. That's only 3-5 flights on SeaPort, which offers comparable service. A few people using SurfAir for frequent commuting will swamp it.
  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Give them time. TSA will f*** this up, too.
  20. Louis Betti

    Louis Betti Original Member

    Well, at least I know the aircraft they are using now; the Swiss-built Pilatus PC-12, a single engine turbo prop. A great, great aircraft too, and some $4 million new. Great aircraft, very reliable, and figure 9-10 pax per aircraft. It is also certified for single-pilot operation, but how many folks want just one pilot up front?

    Only one problem: It's single engine, and a lot of folks can't deal with that, even though its Pratt & Whitney PT-6 is one of the most reliable turbine engines extant. A lot of folks want two engines not one. Also, single-pilot ops wont work for them. They'l have to put an FO in the right front seat for folks to accept it. Two engines, two pilots- get it? If I had the money, this plane would be great for me and friends!

    While the plane can do EWR to MIA, it can't do EWR to LAX. It also doesn't do 500 knots, more like 275. Aside from purchase cost, I figure operational costs are an easy $1200 per hour.

    Heck, even Day Jet couldn't pull it off with the Eclipse twin jet. I don't see this working for them, but perhaps on certain routes it "might" work.

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