Publically Requesting to be Recorded

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by CelticWhisper, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    The ORD grope video, coupled with all the other instances of TSA making a stink about videotaping (or videoNANDflashstoragedevicing) at checkpoints got me thinking - assuming that one is at an airport without statutory prohibitions against recording/photography, what could one expect if one requested out loud that someone else at the checkpoint record their gropedown?

    I'm making a few assumptions in this case that I'm hoping shouldn't matter too much, but I'll state them to be sure:
    -Assume the pax is traveling alone or with a companion who does not have a recording device.
    -Assume the pax does not have his/her own recording device to lend to another pax
    -Assume the pax has not been bullied into a private room.(1)(2)
    -Assume that baggage X-ray and/or cancertron screens are not within view
    -Assume the pax has a reasonable amount of time to catch his/her flight and is not skin-of-teething their trip through Checkpoint Charlie.

    The reason I ask is that I've heard TSOs say that they forbid videography (even though TSA officially does doesn't does doesn't does doesn't...) because they're protecting the privacy of the groping victim. "You can't videotape without the consent of the person being screened." By publically announcing your desire to be recorded (and, if you can work it in, requesting people who have Qik/Ustream accounts) that pretty much blows that argument out of the water.

    I can think of a few issues that would likely come up and I'm hoping we can get some clarification on what to expect:

    -TSOs lie, we know this. It's reasonable to expect that they'd claim their monitors are being recorded (even when they plainly aren't) and that people must therefore cease recording immediately. How do we counter this? If it's 25 people all recording at once, sheer numbers make it more or less a moot point. If it's just one or two, it may be trickier to get the TSO to back down.

    -Other pax, be they kettles or just people who are mistaken about photography and its legal status, may interfere and say that recording isn't allowed. Same mentality as the guy who said "You're supposed to freeze" during CBFT. How would one get around this? Reasonably we could just ignore those people but if they're AFSers who freak easily, they may call the police. This would be another case where strength in numbers would be useful but it'd still be potentially problematic, especially if the LEO is a rookie and/or sides with TSA.

    Questions, answers, and any other thoughts/ideas on this are welcome.

    (1) Has it been established that recording is permitted in the private room, or am I mistaken about that? Answered - See Mike's reply below.
    (2) It is permitted to record in a private room but some have reported TSOs trying to prevent it. How do we counter this?
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It is permitted to record in the private room but TSO's have been reported as preventing that.

    You hit the nail on the head with "TSOs lie". Until their management enforces its own policies, it's an uphill battle.
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  3. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Main post edited to reflect new input, highlight key questions.
  4. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Can someone answer: what are the facts on Airport/TSA video of their own queue actvities? I realize checkpoint video is not of the same quality, but it's helpful to have factual info on "official" video in this thread too.
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I don't know what "official" policy is, but as Stacey Armato found out, a chunk of the videotape from her harassment mysteriously disappeared.

    Let's face it -- we're at their mercy. They lie relentlessly, shamelessly, they make up their own rules willy-nilly, they don't adhere even to the rules that Authoritarian-in-Chief Pistole has set, they can and do screw with us whenever they want. And sure, we might have rights that we might be able to prove were violated -- after being further harassed, possibly detained, missing a flight, and spending god knows how much money on a lawyer and then going through the laborious legal process.
  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Can you refer me to this?

    There have been remarks back and forth on a "30 day" retention on TSA video records--(which sounds unlawfully short anyway). True or not?
    Obviously it's a GREAT idea to ask to be taped by fellow travellers.
  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

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