Questions for TSA over missing money at PHX

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Sep 7, 2011.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Just think how often this happens, every day, all over the country, and never sees the light of day. I have a link in my Master List about the hundreds of thousands of dollars the TSA has quietly paid to passengers for stolen stuff. And that's our money, of course, our tax money paying for these crimes. Why don't these stories get more play? Because the news media is just as full of cowardly wankers as the general population.
     
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  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But, but, but ...

    Nico strikes again. :rolleyes:

    Apparently Nico is based in Phoenix. Or does he travel to wherever a good lie is needed?
     
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  4. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Ah, TSA, "zero tolerance for theft". How unique and special an organization thou art.
     
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  5. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    Well, it's usually 'zero tolerance' only if there is clear and incontrovertible evidence backed by involvement of other LEO agencies and/or the media.

    This payment looks like a 'polish the image' pay-out at an airport that has a less-than-stellar public image. TSA has denied much more egregious actions caught on videotape.

    I would be more impressed if I thought that TSA was following up by reviewing checkpoint tapes and complaint logs for the TSOs who were working the checkpoint when this happened.
     
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  6. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    The problem isn't getting ripped off. Everybody's had something stolen from them at some time or the other. And pretty much everybody has done something at least some time in their live that they're not proud of and don't want anyone to know about. I don't know anyone who's lived a pure life. So people don't expect TSA or any other organization to be problem free. TSA however is in a unique position because it requires that people be separated from valuable property. When that property disappears, rightly or wrongly TSA will get blamed, and this lessens public confidence in the agency, which makes the public less secure. To counter this, TSA needs to investigate every allegation of missing property thoroughly and seriously. Penalties need to be raised for theft, and if there is an instance of false reporting, that also needs to be prosecuted.
     
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  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    TSA could easily eliminate the problem of separating people from their belongings if TSA gave a (expletive deleted). But they don't. They want to exert their control. They don't care that they could still molest you while allowing you to keep your eyes on your belongings. It's not enough to just molest you; they have to further impose their power on you.
     
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  8. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Yes, and given this obsession with separation of the individual from the property, there must be coordinate obsession with protection of that property, which there isn't. That undermines public confidence.
     
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  9. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    Pretty ironic. A fundamental, basic rule of travelling is to keep track of one's belongings at all times.

    So at the airport, we're supposed to trust TSA (who doesn't trust us) while we are in a 'see something, say something' environment where no one is to be trusted...except, of course, TSA.

    TSA, the agency that requires background checks of all its employees, one-time background checks that allow one unfettered no-oversight access to airport sterile areas, pax bags, pax bodies and pax personal information. TSA, the agency whose employees are above reproach and beyond oversight...except when they get caught.
     
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  10. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    I'm sure TSA would argue security reasons for separating pax from belongings, and in any other security arena, that might be valid. Unfortunately, TSA's other actions (all 'suspect' liquids tossed into a common checkpoint bin unless otherwise appropriated by TSOs) make it clear that secure practices are not the primary concern at the checkpoint.

    Separate the individual from his/her property. Better yet, separate the individual from his/her ID and BP. Make the individual assume a humiliating and vulnerable postion - spread legs. Shout and bark constantly. All of this is deliberately done to intimidate pax into complete submission.
     
  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Nico is based in California if I remember correctly. His wife is some city council member or such. Use to be all on his facebook page but seems he has taken that info down.
     
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Except that they used to tell you, in 2010 B.R.M.*, to "keep your eyes on your belongings" as they wanded you. That was standard. Now, it's the opposite. Remove you from your belongings, so that they can, as you correctly point out, further bully and harass you.

    *Before the Reign of Molestation
     
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  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    And pilfer your stuff while they are trying to distract you by feeling your genitals.
     
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  14. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Someone could plant something in your property. If it were detected, you'd be accused.
     
  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Remember that goon who was going up to pax claiming "a white powder" had been found in their luggage, just to f*** with them? This is the caliber of people we're dealing with. And yes, since the police have been known to plant evidence, there's no reason why TSA clerks can't. Give them time.
     
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  16. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Yes, I was thinking about that guy, but it's actually worse, at least from a law enforcement perspective. You run into trouble, for example, prosecuting someone for having drugs or a threat to aircraft item in a wallet or purse if the wallet or purse has been separated from the defendant and placed in an area where an unknown number of other persons had access to it. The possibility of the item in question having been discarded in another person's property to avoid detection can't be excluded.
     
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  17. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    The TSA states that on their website, but it must be "out of date". :rolleyes:
     
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  18. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Reminds me of Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" character:

    "We don't have to care. We're the TSA."
     
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  19. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Absolutely right. It is their idiotic procedures that are creating the opportunity for these thefts to occur. As Cartoon Peril points out, most of us have been robbed by these thieves before so the problem is rampant and long standing.

    They know that novice travelers are complacent and largely ignorant of TSA corruption. We have the mainstream media to thank for that.
     
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  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    We also have the willful ignorance of so many people to thank; god knows I've talked to enough of them.
     
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