Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Apr 18, 2012.
Or by bus to the other side of town.
There are a vast majority of people who have never left the county into which they were born. Sad but true.
Only fancy people would need to leave. What's the big fuss? Do you have something to hide?
"Please, sir, may I have another (anal probe)?"
Apparently. If you never get caught, it's pretty easy to pass a background I would think.
You already do, so whats the difference.
No because the background checks being done on your types is the equivilant of a cop calling your license and tags in. This is why all the criminal history and question behaviors arent caught until way after they have been hired and shown up in the news on a daily basis.
Why do you think it's the equivalent of cop calling in your license and tags?
Because to have any type of valid clearence (SSI does not count) most of the TSA employees with a less then clean record would be rejected for employment. Yet on a daily basis more and more criminals within TSA arise, but yet were supposed to buy the notion you all have had a background check. I dont and dont trust anyone associated with DHS/TSA as far as I can accurately put a round down range.
I hold clearences through several government departments/agencies, and each on average took min 9 months to get done. I know the type of background checks ( credit, employment, friends, family, associates and so on) and because of the depth was why it took so long. I highly doubt that level of background check was ever done on any TSA employee even the FSD/AFSD/etc.
Well, there are 2 background checks. One is to get hired and the other is for a clearance. Not everyone in the TSA has a clearance(and it's not required). But I think it's the same background check that I had to do when I joined the army. Obviously there have been criminals in the military as well, so it's not like the background check guarantees no on will ever break the law if they pass. I don't get why people think it would. There have been people with the highest of security clearances who've also been criminal.
Kim Philby. although that is really dated.
I remember a statement a friend of mine made years ago. He's a retired Navy Master Chief and had just come back from a long road trip. He said he loved living in a country where you could travel from state to state without having to show your "papers". I thought about that conversation when reading about what is happening on Houston buses.
It's unreal, isn't it? And these TSA drones just go on, "I'm jus' doin' mah job! Why you so mad? I'm here to protect yo freedumz!" It's a joke. A sick joke.
I remember being in school, the worst thing you could call someone was a Communist. Imagine!
How did we play back then? You had to "show your papers" to get on the playground, to go down the hall, sometimes to join a group. It was all fun and games to show how stupid the whole thing was.
And here we are, 20ish years later, showing our papers for the "privilege" to fly to another state. In some airports, I'm thinking of SAN commuter terminal, those flights specifically fly within the state, and you still have to show papers and get electronically strip searched and fried. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.
barbell - I hate to invoke godwin, but when they spout that shlock I hit them with "yeah well that didnt work out so well for the nazi's at nuremburg". That pretty much shuts them down, if it doesnt I have plenty of extra quotes and lines to dog pile on till it gets through their thick skulls.
Force 'em to think about it. Invoke Tule Lake, Manzanar, Minidoka, and Rohwer instead of Nuremberg.
I've read a lot of Russian dissident literature, especially Solzhenitsyn. I've mentioned it before, but it absolutely makes me shudder when I notice direct parallels to what was going on in, say, Gulag Archipelago. For example, the thuggish checkpoint guards for these people being shipped off to prison camps wore blue caps even (I need to look it up, but I think Solzhenitsyn talked about the color blue as a specific choice) and loved to pilfer people's luggage and steal whatever cool stuff they had with them. Ours is still a softer tyranny, but I don't see any indication that our road to serfdom is stalling out, at least yet.
99.9% wouldnt know anything about those location, where as nuremberg is a instant lightbulb.
Usually reasonable cause and an underlying violation.
You are in your car and could have a .45 behind the door or under the seat, not standing in your socks, no belt, wallet or other possession within twenty feet of you.
Comparing TSA screeners to police officers in any context is offensive and disgraceful. How many TSA gropers were killed in the line of duty in 2011?
Any comparison of TSA workers, even FAMs, to police is an insult to the widowed spouses and children who have lost their parent who was protecting our streets.
Sadly true. We all know about atrocities committed by "the enemy" while completely ignoring the atrocities committed by our own.
The TSA is doing exactly what "the terrorists" want them to do.
Not enough, but unless you omit the word "duty" that might not even be a possibility.
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