Red Alert Politics: Cato Institute’s anti-TSA petition goes viral

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Jul 12, 2012.

  1. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    I did sign the petition, but I think it is pointless. We know Obama's stance on the matter by simply reading the news, watching videos and hearing fliers accounts of TSA. What the TSA is doing is what he wants, otherwise he would have fired Pistole by now. I do believe that Romney would can Pistole if he were elected, though I am not certain what changes he would mandate to the new person/(expletive deleted) in charge of the TSA. If I knew nothing at all about Obama's first term, only the fact that Obama had Heir Pisstole respond to the first petition, that alone would be enough for me to vote for a slug on the drive over Obama.
     
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  2. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I have no confidence in a Romney-run TSA being any better than it was under Bush or Obama. The mere fact that Chertoff is on Romney's Fatherland Security advisory board is enough to guarantee I'll never vote for him.

    The only one who's expressly come out and said they'd do something about TSA is Gary Johnson. I'm trying to get an answer out of Jill Stein but nothing yet (in fairness, I've not been trying all THAT hard, and I think a formal letter would at least garner a proper response). Overall I prefer Stein's politics to Johnson's, but the promise to stop TSA abuses makes him a very attractive candidate in spite of some of his other positions I don't necessarily agree with.
     
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  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Not voting for Romney is a vote for Obama.

    I would like other viable choices but we all know that 3rd party candidates have little chance of winning a presidential election.
     
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  4. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I don't believe Romney or Obama would do anything to change the TSA. When you fly on private planes and neither you nor your loved ones are forced to go through "security theater" what the TSA does to the rest of us is of little to no importance. Intellectually both Romney and Obama may realize that what the TSA is doing doesn't really make the flying public any safer but don't want to be the one to throttle back the invasive searches and humiliating virtual strip searches for fear that if, by chance, a "terrorist" would somehow take down a plane they would be blamed for it. Plus admitting what the TSA does is ineffectual would mean that ALL that money spent on airline security was just a big waste of resources this country can ill afford at this time. I do not think the TSA is a high priority for either one of them when you are happily unaffected by what they do.
     
  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't disagree but with Obama we know what he will do, nothing!

    Have to take a chance and go with a different horse.
     
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  6. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Exactly. On look at Romney's "advisors" and I know he's scum. Romney will never get my vote. Everything about him stinks of corruption and depravity.
     
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    So what you are saying is that you are satisfied with Obama, Nappy, and Pistole.
     
  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I'm saying that I will NEVER AGAIN vote for the least of two evils. Obamney VS Obama is no choice. I am voting for Ron Paul.

    The last GOP candidate, McCain, coauthored the NDAA of 2012. Obamney is cut from the same cloth. Obama, McCain and Romney are 3 total (expletive deleted). The GOP has lost all credibility with me over McCain, Romney and Romney's "advisers."

    I will vote for Ron Paul. The reason Obama has gotten away with so much is because our Congress and Senate has been derelict for decades. The entire legislative branch has abdicated it's responsibility. If Obama gets re-elected, then voters will step up to the plate and radically shake up Congress and the Senate. You can blame Ron Paul voters for Obama's re-election if you want to, but we'll be taking credit for the revival of the legislative branch as well.

    If Obamney gets elected then the naive sheeple will breathe a collective sigh of relief and go back to sleep. The way I see it, that's the worst thing that could happen. I want Ron Paul, or our federal legislature terrified into action against Obama.

    Obamney will never, never never get my vote.

    PS: I call Bravo Sierra on the whole premise that our two party system offers us a choice. A choice between a fascist left and a fascist right is no choice at all. Between the two of them they're eviscerating the U.S. Constitution and destroying everything that made our country great. A pox on both their houses.
     
  9. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I have to agree. The notion of a third-party vote being a vote for one of the two big parties is a non-sequitur. The unintended consequence may be that it detracts from the likelihood of a more desirable candidate winning, but the truth is that if enough people voted for the third party, that party would win. When we were trying to get rid of GWB, that monkey idiot who started this TSA mess, there was a saying that "a vote for Nader is a ote for Bush." The only way to honestly fight the battle, though, is to vote your conscience and support who you feel is the best one for the job. A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader, a vote for Paul is a vote for Paul, Stein for Stein, Johnson for Johnson.

    In the end, even if the third party loses, it's no different than if you voted for a Republocrat candidate who lost. You can still honestly say you voted against the current regime.

    The way I see it, the likelihood of Obama/Romney doing stuff to screw the people is far higher than with a Green/Lib/Indie candidate. The underdogs have a vested interest in not pissing off the citizenry - they'd have fought ridiculously hard to get elected in the first place and they know that if they botch the job, they and their party can kiss their reelection chances goodbye for probably a few decades - at least a generation's time until new voters enter the scene. I'd rather cast my vote for someone who feels that kind of pressure than go with the "safe" choice of a more likely candidate who also feels more at liberty to bend me over a barrel.

    It would be one thing if Romney was on record saying "TSA has gone too far and I will be very hostile to them" but he hasn't. That, coupled with Skeletor being his advisor, says to me that the two big candidates just represent two slightly different ways for travelers to get (expletive deleted).
     
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  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Ron Paul dropped out. Even if his name is on the ballot he has no chance of winning. I'm not particulary pleased with the choices we have but damn if I will do anything that gives Obama a chance and that would include voting for third party candidates.
     
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  11. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    That's the way I see those two dirtballs wrt every. single. issue.
     
  12. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    He didn't drop out, he was locked out.
     
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