Red State: Yet Another Obama Administration Aviation Security Failure

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The criticism keeps rolling in ... (because it's the "Red State" blog, they keep trying work Obama into it, but it's basically aimed at TSA)

    Red State: Yet Another Obama Administration Aviation Security Failure

     
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I don't know. As much as I love criticism of the TSA, I'd hate to see us get sidetracked by Big Scary Box Cutters Epic Fail! We all know (well, reasonable people know) that box cutters aren't going to take down a plane. It doesn't matter that that thing was in the overhead compartment except for the fact that passengers are being pawed and groped and irradiated as a condition of travel, all for the supposed benefit of keeping such things off planes.

    No matter what system we have, even if the TSA were noble and virtuous and professional and angelic, things would still get through. It's inevitable. Somehow we have to get that across to people.
     
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  3. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I agree.

    However, box cutters caused 9/11!. Ergo, making a big deal out of box cutters and how they can bring down a plane (nevermind the fact that they can't), will make people realize how useless TSA is.

    I mean, come on, this is the audience that's afraid of cookies on a plane fer cryin' out loud. A box cutter is enough to wreak major mayhem! Remember Trevor Gray? He was the spineless pansy who sat in his seat the entire flight petrified, petrified! of a tin of cookies someone brought on the plane. He was so scared, in fact, that he waited until he was safely on the ground to get his mom to call the TSA. You can't make this stuff up.

    Trevor Gray is a sad, pathetic wuss.
     
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  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Look at it from the point of view of the airline and covering their legal liabilities. If a weapon is found on the plane, they need that ensure that no further weapons have been left or planted on the plane. They do this either by calling in outside security personnel, or they can request the services of the "expert" government agency already on site, (drum roll) ... the TSA. It's not Southwest's fault that TSA is so inept as to make the Keystone Kops appear professional.

    A lot of people people here & in that "other place" tend to be overly cavalier about how they aren't afraid of guns or box cutters or whatever on planes. The public doesn't see it that way. A weapon is a weapon, and if one turns up on the sterile side the authorities, like it or not, are going to re-sterilize things. What the article points out -- correctly -- is that this simply involves more of the incompetent screening that allowed the weapon to materialize in the first place.
     
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  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    This box cutter deal concerns me in ways that are never mentioned. In any aviation setting control of material, tools, and such is critical. Who wants a box cutter floating around in an airplane, or a screwdriver, a wrench, and so forth. This time the item was in a location that was pretty safe, but other locations could be a real problem. Jamming controls, electrical shorts and other problems. Any program that does not account for tools and material after people do any chore on an airplane is in trouble and the airlines and their contractors who are doing these things are placing their customers at substantial risk.

    The box cutter was not really a threat as a weapon but as an unaccounted tool it demonstrates a serious lack of safety awareness.
     
  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Cue the TSA Theme Music.
     
  7. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    You are correct.

    However, if you knew what actually went on to maintain aircraft, you'd never, ever get on one again.
     
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I spent 23 years in the military as as aircraft mechanic with a good portion of that time in the quality assurance/inspection end of the business. I was also a flight engineer during most of my career so I not only worked on the airplanes but always said I would fly on anything I ever worked on and I did. I was pretty fortunate over the years only experiencing a handful of serious in flight problems, the worst was on a post maintenance check flight where we lost three engines (shut down the third after touch down) in about 10 minutes with the fourth rapidly failing also. I also hold an AP ticket so I do have some appreciation on how airplanes are maintained. One job I had after I retired placed me on a major DFW airlines aircraft during the evening hours so I also observed how that company was doing things. I saw things like on entering an aircraft and finding 2o or so workers sleeping during their shift.

    One thing good about airplanes in general is that they are a robust platform. Commercial air is truly a safe way to travel and I would fly more except for the TSA.
     
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    If the sheeple were more concerned about proper safety inspection, aircraft maintenance, pilot/traffic controller fatigue, and all the things we really can improve, instead of about a lone blade lying around, we'd all be better off.
     
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  10. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Where is this hero?! I want to marry him and carry his DNA forward!!! :rolleyes:+*facepalm

    edit: in fact I hope this incident has inspired him to drop out of college and enroll in the TSA college and proudly snap on those blue gloves each day. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  11. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Oh, I have no doubt, boggie, that you did an excellent job.

    I didn't mean that you personally would never get on a plane, I was referring to the sniveling pansies who appear to be afraid of even their own shadow.

    Honestly, it is orders of magnitude of safe to fly commercially. Just some of the things that are done would send people afraid of things like unrealistic liquid bomb plots and cookie terrorists into a tizzy.
     
  12. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Nevermind that, the next layer of security would be prohibiting any food type more than 0.05 oz to be brought pass the checkpoint. Of course to do this, more screeners will be needed and fancier machines too. More sterility!
     
  13. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    How in the world did I miss the cookies of doom!!!! DOOM! :p

    Sad that he's so afraid of his own shadow - and chocolate chip cookies.
     
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  14. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Seriously.

    Can you imagine dating this guy? What a wuss.

    My wife Googled my name back when we first started dating.

    I hope that by mentioning his name enough some girl (or guy, I don't care) will Google his name and find out what a loser this guy is.
     
  15. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    :eek:

    I'd bring him cookies of doom.
     
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  16. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Yeah, you would.

    I don't date girls like you. You scare me! :D
     
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  17. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Oh, yeah I would.

    :p
     
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  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Cookies strike fear on flight
    Passenger says sweet gesture could be potential hazard
    September 12, 2011
    You just can't make this (expletive deleted) up.
     
  20. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Trevor Gray...AKA...Chicken Little....:rolleyes:
     

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