Reid to TSA: Smile

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Apr 5, 2012.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    It just demonstrates how clueless some of these idiots are.
    I'm sure a Chinese billionaire will be find a TSA groping a nice gesture as long as the molester says hello first. Then again, they may find Macau, Singapore or Monaco a better alternative.
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  2. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Remember, Rio got the Olympics and Shitcago got the finger. IOC members don't have diplomatic immunity, so they got the stink finger just like the athletes would get.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    You can talk all you want about import/export this and that. The fact remains that the United States sold chemical and other weapons to Saddam Hussein in the 1980s. So did other countries. Just as we sold weapons and materiel to Germany between 1929 and 1940; American investment in Germany increased 48.5% during that time. Major investors included Ford, General Motors, General Electric, Standard Oil, Texaco, International Harvester, ITT, IBM -- even after the Trading with the Enemy Act was passed (there's that magic market at work).

    Secretary of State John Foster Dulles addressed letters to his German clients with "Heil Hitler." Wall Street regarded the Nazis as just one more enemy of the dreaded Communists (sound familiar?). Just as we armed the mujahideen in Afghanistan when they were fighting the Soviets, only to find out -- surprise, surprise -- that they later turned those weapons against us. Just as we're arming Libyan "rebels" now, many of whom we already know to be linked to Al Qaeda. So we can turn around in a few years and recast them as the new Latest And Most Deadly Threat. On and on and on, in countries around the world, one miserable dictatorship after another we're only too happy to prop up and do business with when it suits us. (Or whatever democratically elected leaders we're happy to overthrow as well.)
  4. lkkinetic

    lkkinetic Original Member

    Please start a new thread in the sandbox if you two would like to continue to discuss Iraq; I would appreciate more discussion and data here on the reduction in international visits to the US as a consequence of TSA policies and practices, and suggestions for how we can raise awareness of this and take action to get Congress to act.
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    You're right. Sorry.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Fact? Show me one chemical weapon that the U.S. Government sold, ready to use, to the Iraqis.

    Dual use items are not weapons, and the United States itself did not sell them.

    You have a very idyllic view of things if you think this is something that the U.S. Government can easily control in a modern economic environment. It can't. There are laws & regulations in place, but it would take a massive effort to ensure anywhere near 100% compliance. When we look back at transactions which occurred in the 80's & 90's, we also have the benefit 20/20 hindsight, which is not available to help out with today's real-time transactions.

    One example of a dual use item (sold, I believe, by Brits to Iraq) is a chemical antidote for nerve gas, which can also be used a precursor chemical to create a nerve gas. Now here you have a moral dilemma. If a country (Iraq) fears a chemical attack from a neighbor (Iran), do you deny them the antidote?

    & you keep harping on Donald Rumsfeld in Iraq in 1983. That photo was taken less than 3 years after Iran released our hostages. The political situation in the region was much different then. Hindsight is wonderful, but you can't legitimately criticize the contemporary actions of that time based on events that have unfolded 10-30 years later.
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I'll move selected posts when I'm ready to. TUG allows conversations to evolve, just as a real conversation does, and we try really hard not to get so totally anal about it like they do in that other place.
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