Relative Safety of Flying vs. Driving

Discussion in 'Other Aspects of Aviation Security' started by Mike, Jan 1, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    NY Times: It's Never Been Safer to Fly; Deaths at Record Low

    With this info, if we could estimate the number of passenger miles shifted from air travel to automobiles due to TSA, we could also estimate the increased fatalities resulting from avoidance of TSA abuse.
     
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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, and some of us have done exactly this. It won't convince the sheeple, because they shun facts (and you saw what happened when we tried with Ron), but still worth putting it out there, for the record and for our own satisfaction.
     
  3. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Wasn't it Bart who made an a** of himself in response to the thread on this topic? I'm not certain that we have heard Ron's words of wisdom in this regard.
     
  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh, sorry -- Ron, Bart, SATTSO, I can't keep them all straight.
     
  5. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I think they've all had a problem with inconvenient facts from the NTSB, decreases in holiday air travel versus an increase in Amtrak ridership, etc.
     
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  6. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I never drive on the interstate when a back road will get me to the same destination, but yesterday was an exception. I was heading west in NJ and noticed that traffic was light, no trucks, on I- 78 so I used that route. Fully 1/3, if not more, of the cars had out-of-state plates from distant states, not NY or PA.
     
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I would be very interested in a well done study that was trying to quantify how many people are not flying solely because of TSA.

    One line of questions with no other distractors.

    Some grad student could take this on.
     
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  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Not wanting to start a new thread, I'll throw this in here:

    Yesterday I heard a report that indicated that corporate business travel would increase in 2012. The two biggest concerns of business flyers are flight delays and security.
     
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Then it's a shame that business travel is predicted to increase. Once again, these people are complicit.
     
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Recent reports of fuel cost going up drastically could tone down that estimate. I saw one report for gasoline being around $5 nationally later this year. That will put a crimp in anyones travel budget. Aviation fuels will of course be priced differently but a general tightening of oil supplies will hurt every sector of travel. Our C210 driver can give us a current cost of avgas. I'm guessing about $4.50 or so per gallon.
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But jets run on a keresene-grade fuel (Jet A/#1 diesel) which is a different market. Until 4 or 5 years ago these tended to be cheaper than gas, no longer the case. The airlines get some decent discounts for quantity but they'll still take a really big hit from this.
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I fully understand what fuels jets use and I felt I recognized that in my post. Tightening of crude oil should impact all fuels to some degree. Airlines protect themsleves with multi-year fuel contracts but even those have to be renewed every few years.
     

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