RENO AIR RACES ACCIDENT

Discussion in 'Other Aspects of Aviation Security' started by RB, Sep 17, 2011.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I'm not going to post links to the story. I find the pictures disturbing.

    As has been reported, on 09/16/2011 a P-51 (Galloping Ghost) piloted by Jimmy Leeward crashed in the spectator area. Last reports say 3 including the pilot are dead with many more injured, some severely. Reports this morning are suggesting that the elevator trim tab failed (pictures showing this failure are being broadcast) resulting in the pilot loosing control.

    For those of you who have not been to the Reno Air Races the area of the crash was the reserved box seat area on the ramp area just in front of the reserved seating bleachers. This area is well removed from the runway and flight path of the racers.

    From a personal perspective I attended the air races a few years ago (bucket list) and had reserved seats in the stands just behind these box seats down on ground level. Had this happened when I went I would have been seated about 50 yards away from where this accident occurred.

    I hope you guys will join me in your own way with prayers for those injured and for those killed.
     
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  2. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Sorry for the families and friends of those injured and killed. What was supposed to have been fun turned tragic in a heartbeat.
     
  3. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Very sad indeed.

    Waiting for new laws to be proposed to avoid and protect us from mayhem ever again.
     
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I hope your last line was full of sarcasm.;) I think it was.

    Sadly there are chances for bad things happening everyday in our lives. For aviation buffs the Reno Air Races are an experience to not miss. I would hope an accident of this type would not bring an end to the long history of the races.
     
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    We go to Oshkosh every year. We've been fortunate not the be there for any of the accidents.
     
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Never made Oshkosh but would really enjoy going. Perhaps before I'm to old to enjoy it. Sounds like time to load up my trike and have a road trip.
     
  7. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Dripping sarcasm -
     
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I fully agree. Fate and gravity should be barred from use at inopportune moments.
     
  9. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Very sad event indeed. God speed to those who perished in this accident

    The stories popping up in the EMS world on this MCI (mass causality incident) was bad but could have been much worse. The last thing we need is more stupid tuck fard laws. Its very simple life is full of risk from conception to death and if you expect someone to protect you from every risk then your and idiot that needs to be removed from the gene pool.
     
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  10. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Well, you didn't have to wait too long. I did not hear the entire segment 'cause I started shouting at the television as soon as the phrase "proposed legislation" was uttered, but some lawmaker in NV is proposing some kind of legislation re: air shows.
     
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  11. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    :trash: :td::mad::td::td::td:
     
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  12. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    My stars, Doober, don't you know how to write? That second "sentence" is an abomination. :eek:
     
  13. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    More have died.:( More people died in bar stampedes than died in this accident. They're attacking the pilot as having been too old or infirm. I doubt this pilot would have climbed inot the cockpit had he not been 100%. The idiots proposing laws to keep us safe push the nanny state on us against our will.
     
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  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    There has been an element calling for the end of the Air Races entirely for many years. Guess we will have to end car racing, boat racing, horse racing, plus any other sporting events where people can get hurt, like Pro and College football.
     
  15. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    AngryMiller - I know what you mean and the stats dont lie. Its like the TSA is responsible for more deaths each year then were killed in 9/11 because people would rather drive then deal with the BS at the airport (TSA will never admit it, but the facts and the stats support it)

    I work around pilots day in and day out (rotor and fixed wing)and when it comes to safety and ability to command (yes command as they are incharge of the aircraft and holds the crews life in there hands) they will be the firsts to say no on a mission if they or there aircraft are mission ready.

    The pilots flying these old warbirds are probably some of the most capable pilots around as those aircraft have no fly-by wire or assist controls so you have to be more then capable to handle a aircraft like this, and in that case if something happened it was out of the pilots control. In these races these aircraft are only maybe 200 feet off the ground and at full throttle so reactions times cushions are not that big, despite that these pilots have some the best reaction times of any person alive. The pilot was probably fighting right up to the end to minimize the collateral damage on the ground and wasnt able to in this case.

    There risks in life but we dont need more laws, but we could use a whole lot less politicians and bull (expletive deleted) artists
     
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  16. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    What if? What if? They've tried banning the Blue Angels from SF (b/c too militaristic as much as any danger). :rolleyes:
    Looks like the pilot might have lost it after pulling up, possibly regained consciousness at the very end of the dive-- or just luck as it did not take out more of the spectators? Awful, awful accident.
    Seems like the ground crew was very well-prepared for serious injury response. Big contrast to the flailing about at major airports over security.
     
  17. 4nsicdoc

    4nsicdoc Original Member

    A close examination of the blown up photos shows a failure and detachment of about 2/3 of the elevator trim tab, probably due to a high speed flutter. The trim tab is a small moveable control surface at the trailing edge of the elevator, which is the primary control of pitch. A huge probably uncommanded pitch up ensued followed by a half roll to inverted probably resulting from gyroscopic precession or torque, which at 500 mph probably induced a 12-14 g loading. The photos taken right before impact show wrinkling, a sign of overstressing, in the tail structure and the g forces were enough to break or deform the tailwheel uplock, since the tailwheel was extended. Such a g load will g-loc (g induced loss of consciousness) most unprepared and unprotected pilots. A photo taken about a half second before impact does not contain any indication that Jimmy was conscious. There was no sign of him under the aircraft canopy. And all control surfaces are in the neutral trailing position
     
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  18. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have seen one photo that shows the trim tab partially detached. In that photo, and it just may be the perspective of this photo, but it also appears that the starboard elevator is calling for nose down pitch and the port at neutral or slightly nose up pitch. I have seen other photos just moments before impact and in those the elevator appears to be same on both sides and near neutral.

    I haven't seen any picture that shows any drastic movement of the controls (maximum control throw) like I would expect as the pilot made a last ditch effort to recover and photos just before impact seem to show the elevator at near neutral. To me this suggest that the pilot may not have been conscious.
     
  19. VH-RMD

    VH-RMD Original Member

    An "experimental" plane that crashed at a US air show, killing 10 people and injuring over 70, lost a part of its tail seconds before the crash, an initial investigation said on Friday.
    The World War II-era fighter plane smashed into spectators on the ground in Reno, Nevada a week ago, in a horrific crash caught on camera by many of those present and seen around the world online.
    The P-51 Mustang plane, piloted by veteran movie stunt flyer Jimmy Leeward, had been modified ahead of the air show, including a number of changes which had not been tested, according to a video interview with Mr Leeward before his death.
    Releasing its initial findings, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said the "experimental North America P-51D, N79111, impacted terrain following a loss of control while manoeuvring" at Reno airport.
    "The airplane had completed several laps and was in a steep left turn toward the home pylon when [it] suddenly banked momentarily to the left before banking to the right, turning away from the race course, and pitching to a steep nose-high attitude," said the report.
    "Witnesses reported and photographic evidence indicates that a piece of the airframe separated during these manoeuvres. After roll and pitch variations, the airplane descended in an extremely nose-low attitude and collided with the ground in the box seat area near the centre of the grandstand seating area."
    In an interview posted on YouTube in June, pilot Jimmy Leeward noted that the 65-year-old Galloping Ghost underwent huge overhauls that took a full three meters off its wingspan, in order to make it faster and more manoeuvrable.
    But he admitted then that it had not been tested, saying: "I know it'll do the speed," and adding: "The systems aren't proven yet. We think they're going to be OK."
    The full NTSB investigation is expected to last up to a year.
    AFP
     

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