Retasking the TSA

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by 4nsicdoc, Aug 28, 2011.

  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I agree that the bulk of the blame rests with the leadership. Mostly Napolitano and Pistole - Obama is not blameless but I also acknowledge that the POTUS does have a lot on his plate above and beyond domestic security. I don't think it justifies the ignorance of the problem that is the TSA, but I do at least understand it.

    However, I also don't want to give the clerks a free pass because they are the ones empowering the leaders to render their decisions effective. If the clerks responded to "Scope and grope the citizenry" with "Eat me, Goebbels, I'm not doing that (expletive deleted)" then Pistole and Napolitano would be up a creek. Wouldn't stop them from trying some other heinous scheme, but the clerks would at least have acted with their consciences and made ethical objections to violations of the Constitutional rights of the public.

    Both are responsible. The leadership are more responsible for having masterminded the whole thing and clearly pre-established a psychological framework for pushing people (traveler and Transportation Security Clerk-not-agent-not-officer alike) through it in terms of the retaliatory petty-vengeance gropedown and planning out the use of words like "resistance," but I do also want to see the people send a message to the clerks that they can't just take whatever job comes their way (like, say, on a pizza box) and expect it to be ethically acceptable. We hang Pistole and Napolitano out to dry by booting Obama's (expletive deleted) out of office but let the clerks get off scot-free, and the clerks will just say "sweet, we got away with it" and continue to be opportunistic slime. There needs to be an accompanying message of "There are lines which government must never cross if liberty is to be preserved. We The People will not tolerate you assisting government in crossing those lines."

    I don't think, pragmatically speaking, that we need to crucify each and every last clerk, but I do think we should at least send a message of "Back. The (expletive deleted). Off." and send it loud and clear. A few felony sexual-assault convictions and sex-offender registrations, enabled by the passage of ATDA, should help to send that message. Especially when news gets out of what the other prisoners did to the clerk they call "that kiddie-rapist pig in cell block B."
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  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    DHS/TSA so-called leadership is the #1 problem. The #2 problem are the screeners who seem unconcerned with their individual Constitutional and Civil Rights violations.
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  3. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    I blame Bush for the TSA more than I blame Obama, tho Obama could do something more, like listen to the people, or fire Pistole and Nappy, but that's just me.
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  4. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I agree with the whole of this statement. Bush started this mess and Obama made it worse.
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  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Even if someone argued that Obama hasn't made it worse, he certainly hasn't made it any better.
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  6. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    I agree with this 100%
  7. INK

    INK Original Member

    In all accuracy, Bush requested it, congress agreed and made it worse than the request, and Obama continues and expands it while the current congress dithers. Furthermore, the courts seem to have little interest in stopping it and may even strengthen the underlying precedents that allow it to happen. There appears to be no one on our side in this except the Texas legislature and they ran screaming from the room after the Justice Department said "Boo!"
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I hereby offer my broken record to take another spin around the turntable:

    "Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

    — Frederick Douglass, 1857
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