Run in with TSA at Chicago Midway Airport

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by AngryMiller, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. The 6th Floor

    The 6th Floor Original Member

    Wow! Snatched before you even got to the checkpoint? Unacceptable. Guess there would be no way I could survive in today's airport environment as an employee or worse, a traveler and accept what is happening to people and the violation of their rights and freedoms. No way would I submit to this sort of search without reason. Suddenly you are deemed "suspect" for what reason? If I did not have to fly right then and there I would have turned around and walked out.

    Unfortunately this seems to be "norm" these days. We are seeing it to some degree (testing phase still?) in subways and light rail and they fall under "random." I can't say I agree with this. I guess you never did get a straight answer as to "why" because I can't accept their answer of "they can do any kind of search they want to at the airports, where ever they want to do it, not just on the sterile side." This falls under the "behavioral indicators" the TSA is allegedly trained to know what to look for.
     
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  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    ^^

    The irrationality of their fear is amazing. These are cops. Surely they have some experience of what perps act like/look like. They get to the airport, and all of a sudden everything they know is gone and everyone is a perp. Maybe the guys they send the airport are the stupidest ones on the force that can't be used for anything else. Really, feeling up babies, 95-year olds in wheelchairs, all this when there have been NO bomber attacks. Can you imagine what is going to happen when there actually IS a detonation? You can kiss whatever is left of your civil rights goodbye.
     
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  3. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Please believe me when I tell you that's not what happens. I have filed two complaints about employees of the TSA and, in each, action was taken by OIG. OIG takes the complaint to the relevant party at TSA, that party must report back to OIG with a "plan of action" for resolving the issue.

    One result was that a very offensive person claiming to be a TSO on that other site was never heard from again after I sent in my complaint; therefore, it is safe to assume that he was, in fact, a TSO. In the second case, I got an e-mail from BB advising me that the issue about which I had complained had been resolved.
     
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  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I assume AngryMiller had a carry-on or some other piece of luggage with him to indicate he was a traveler. But what if this was just someone coming to meeting a party on an arriving flight?

    This says to me that TSA is doing this just to pick on and bully the public and that they, in fact, have no right to be doing this:

     
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  5. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Yes, two bags, a laptop bag and a small Pelican case (biggest one that you can still carry on board the aircraft - lots of electronics in it). They do have a sign up telling people to meet the landing passengers in baggage claim rather than to be standing around where the incoming and outgoing passengers sort of come together.
     
  6. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Why? Asked that as well. Was told it was a random selection that I had to comply with or I would be arrested. Officer 117743 was very demanding that I follow him out. Since when is the Chicago police department on TSA's payroll? Disgusting.
     
  7. The 6th Floor

    The 6th Floor Original Member

    Now I might be talking a big game, but arrest me. Either that or I would have submitted to their illegal search, turned around and walked out of the airport. I don't buy the TSA's rational for doing this. This is wrong on so many levels, but many will see this as acceptable behavior given the environment we are being conditioned to live and travel in. What happens to a supposed air traveler who is coming down that same escalator with no carries on and are fingered for a "random inspection?" As was mentioned, what about someone in a non-sterile area, like the ticket lobby or area in front of a security check point? Will they NOW be subjected to this illegal search in the name of security?

    I have a problem with this because it will soon hit the light rail in the SF/Oakland Bay Area. It will fly under the guise of "random" and much like the airline industry passengers will go along with it. Now what happens if I have "contraband" on me, for example a knife. Say a small Gerber or pocket knife. Will I be subjected to give up these items because it's not safe to be in a non-sterile environment?
     
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  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    There's a difference between random inspections at a checkpoint and random searches on the street, which for all practical purposes is what this is. MDW is the southern terminus of Chicago's El system.

    On several trips, We've used the El to return to MDW, then go through he lobbies to catch a shuttle to our hotel. Similarly at EWR -- shuttle from Hilton to airport , then take the train or bus to Manhattan. ATL? Shuttle to airport, MERTA to wherever your business is. Etc. Same in some overseas cities (e.g. Amsterdam & Geneva) when we've stayed in airport hotels.

    They can't go grabbing people "off the street" for 15-30 minutes of harassment like that, which can turn out to be a very expensive proposition for the victims who have appointments to meet & business to conduct. At EWR, for example we could have missed our bus into Manhattan & our already-paid-for seats on the Brooklyn Reality Tour.

    This stinks in so many ways and needs to be resisted. Unfortunately, it probably will take a Phil-Mocek-style arrest & trial (& now civil suit :D) to put a stop to it.
     
  9. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Would an Excel format be easier to work with?
     
  10. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I'll get started on this and send you something. This lends itself to a spreadsheet or pivot table layout. Once the fields are defined it's just a matter of slogging through the details. Maybe something we can break this up and do it in sections, with members volunteering to take letter ranges, such as D-G.
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Yes. Excel exports in delimited files. I can parce any delimiter, although visible ones (not tab!) are preferred for this. Issues with scripts & tab-delimited files are harder to debug.
     
  12. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The information in this blog is very suspect. The first thing that caught my eye was a reference to John Pistole as "a trigger-puller at Waco, etc." That would make for a great visual -- a photo of the memorial stones at Waco + John Pistole.

    However, I can find zero confirmation that he was anywhere near Waco. This is what a bio published by his alma mater says he was doing in the 1900's:

     
  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I left a comment on the blog asking him what evidence he had that Pistole was "reference to John Pistole as "a trigger-puller at Waco, etc."
     
  15. SafeButFree

    SafeButFree Original Member

    Interesting reading. The thought that comes to me is that it is a crime to disobey a "lawful order" from a police officer. But what is a "lawful order"? Can a uniform order you to go here or there and arrest you if you say no? Is this country that much like Nazi Germany?
     
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  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It would not be a lawful order to submit to an unconstitutional detainment and search.
     
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  17. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    The saga continues.

    Contacted OSHA in Illinois to see if they could do some testing on the x-ray equipment at Midway. 708-891-3800 and ask for a duty officer. The gentleman I talked with was quite polite and patient. His comment was "Illinois has a department that looks into x-ray machines for doctors offices and veternary clinics, but (and here is the big deal) TSA self verifies that their equipment works. Sort of like having a hungry fox watching the hen house." Also if there are any TSOs out there who want to call out OSHA on their employer you can do so, but all OSHA will do is to verify that TSA has the proper certificates saying the equipment was certified. The traveling public and TSA employees are on their own. The duty officer recommended standing back away from the equipment as far as possible.:eek::eek::td:
     
  18. LeapingFrogs

    LeapingFrogs Original Member

    Gee there's a REASON we have organizations like OSHA who look out for the safety of workers and their customers. There's a reason doctors and vets DON'T maintain and certify their own equipment. No one should be able to do that.

    God it's frustrating that NO agency in the whole country can police the rats at the TSA. It's unbelievable this country has sunk so low.
     
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  19. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Things qot very quiet when he figured out I was attempting to get them to look into TSA operations. There may have been other instances of TSA and OSHA coming to blows. TSA needs oversight immediately to protect both their workers and the traveling public.
     
  20. SafeButFree

    SafeButFree Original Member

    You know you got trouble when an agency doesn't want anyone checking out anything about them.
     
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