Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Jul 3, 2012.
More SSI BS.
How much would you like to bet that (1) he belongs to a mosque somewhere in the U.S., and that (2) the FBI has tried to recruit him as an informant, hoping he will rat out other people in his mosque, and that (3) after he was overseas they added him to the "no-fly" list so as to strand him and hopefully give them some leverage in coercing him into becomine an FBI informant?
If the answer is "yes", it matches what the FBI has already done to one other Muslim from San Diego and three from Portland and how many others? One of the Portland Muslims who was jailed & tortured overseas thanks to the FBI is now seeking asylum in Sweden.
A San Diego man, a citizen of Somali descent, is stuck in Bahrain indefinitely. I can only imagine how terrible it must feel to not be allowed to come home, not go back to work, stuck in a foreign country, running short on cash, with little recourse. Talk about feeling like a Man Without a Country.
Ali Ahmed is 20 years old. He came to the U.S. via Kenya with his parents to flee civil war when he was seven years old. He has only left the U.S. once in the 13 years he has been here. And now he can’t come home.
His name has shown up on the No-Fly list. Of course, that list is shrouded in secrecy. You don’t know if you’re on it, you don’t know if you’ve been taken off it, you don’t know why you were put on it if you were, and it takes months at best to sort it all out. You won’t even know if you’ve been taken off: you must simply show up at an airport and try to fly.
Where is the due process in any of this? Where can Ali go to clear his name? He can’t very well appear in a domestic court; he can’t even get there.
He’s not the only one, of course. In May, an appellate court agreed to hear the cases of 15 men in similar circumstances.
The court simply agreed to hear the case. Which leaves Mr. Ahmed little recourse but to publicize his case and ask for intercession from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. All while running out of money, far away from home.
Due process? Protection under the law? Non-existent. If this man is guilty of something, arrest him, have him escorted home, and let him fight the charges.
Stranding citizens in foreign countries is not anything we should allow to happen. In any case. Ever.
especially since evidently you can legally get around this by simply flying into Mexico or Canada and walking/driving across the border. simply harassment.
It's easier than that, nachtnebel.
When making a reservation, simply misspell your name in the SecureFlight section of the reservation. It is in no way linked to the name field on the reservation, which is what will print on the boarding pass and match your ID. There is no way to link these fields in current airline technology in a manner to cross match the names, and airlines will prove unwilling to invest the capital necessary to do so.
That's all you have to do to circumvent the NFL. It really is that easy.
Make your reservation for John Michael Smith. If John Michael Smith happens to be on the NFL, simply enter Jane Margaret Jones and indicate she is female, or any other such name. The name Jane Margaret Jones will be sent to SecureFlight and cleared. John Michael Smith will print on your boarding pass and match your ID. Nowhere will the 2 names be crossmatched to see if they are the same. It will be missed entirely.
Actually, if you look at those fifteen cases, there are at least two where they flew to Mexico and were arrested on the jetway after landing. Canada drank the NFL Kood-Aid, so no help there.
Which proves that this is all bulloop:!
Can you show any documented examples of this working?
I doubt it's that simple. For starters these itins often start in very remote countries and involve airlines that that don't waste time on NFL stuff. They'll be looking at the name in your passport, period.
Would you be willing to write this up for TSA News? I have no knowledge about this stuff -- none. You do. I understand you want to keep your privacy private. But this stuff is gold. Can you PM me?
Also, don't they cross-check with your passport? And I've heard of people not being able to fly -- I think Chris Elliott has written about it -- because their names didn't match on ticket/boarding pass/ID.
Separate names with a comma.