Scanning ID's when you return merchandise

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Mike, Nov 22, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    A common practice, might not be legal in some states, e.g. California ...

    CBS News Local San Francisco: ConsumerWatch: Stores Requiring ID, Tracking To Prevent Repeated Returns

    California civil code currently allows retailers to swipe your ID when investigating fraud, abuse or misrepresentation. But [Peninsula Congresswoman Jackie] Speier believes a legitimate return with a receipt does not fall under that exception. State law does require retailers post the ID requirement prominently in their return policy…both Victoria secrets and The Children’s Place do just that. If it’s in their policy, and you want to make a return, you’ll likely have to hand over your ID.
  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    When I make my purchases I will look for this sign and let the manager know why I am buying elsewhere.
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  3. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    I've been in meetings with senior DHS officials who are anxious to implement these types of intrusive surveillance methods. Their stated strategy is to allow the population to willingly comply with and accept the same measures in the retail and on-line worlds and simply slip in under the radar.
  4. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Please tell me they were shot down and hauled off to jail for Treason.
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    FIFY! :D
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  6. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    we are seeing an increase of use of biometrics to establish identity for such trivial things as daycare and paying for lunch at school cafeterias. It's not uncommon to have employees log in and out via fingerprint readers. FliesWay2Much, I wonder if it's too late. There may be hordes of people acclimated to such things and too few Andrea Hernandezes. Is it a brave new world after all.

    Why is this worse than, say using some sort of token (magnetic strip plus password) to gain access or pay for something? In a sense, you'd think it was pretty much the same thing, just a different medium. Yet it feels quite different. Is it because information of your physical person is being "ripped away", captured and used by a machine, known by someone else? Is it the coercion? As a practical matter, it doesn't seem necessary when you have a magnetic strip and password alternative, and besides, in addition to the privacy violations, biometrics can't handle changes in a person's physical nature.

    I'd like to know more about what all of ya'll object to in the use of biometrics.
  7. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I think this is the only way to make change. I do this already. When I get pushback, I go up the chain - and I've never allowed my driver's license to be scanned.

    I do understand the fraud issue - some people really do 'rent' clothing - wear it once and then take it back. And I do see that as fraud, but scanning IDs and keeping them in databases is such a bad idea.
  8. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Biometrics have there place, but not in a retail enviroment.

    Asking for ID on retail purchases with a debit or credit card rubs me the wrong way. Not only is it against there merchants agreement its a good way to tick off customers. I dont have a problem calling employees and managers out on it. I will call visa or mastercard right infront of them to file a complaint, then follow up with a complaint to HQ. I have ended up getting more items removed completely from my bill because of these shenanigans. You think they would learn but Best Buy, Taco Bell and Chipotle are the biggest offenders.

    I as well will refuse any request to scan my ID, and I will publically call out anyone making that request to the point of making everyone in earshot aware. I refuse to go through the (expletive deleted) that is repairing Identity theft... 3 years of pure (expletive deleted).

    The only places I have biometrics are at home on computers with sensitive information and its fingerprint scanners and smart cards as backup if the scanner is on the fritz. Outside of that the only places that require biometrics are my federal IDs that have security clearences or other permissions that arent available to the general public

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