Schumer Proceeds With Advocate Bill After TSA Delays Action

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I don't trust Schumer to accomplish anything for us. His number goal in life is to be in front of a camera, any camera, any where, any time.

    Never get between Chuckie Schumer and a camera.
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  3. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    In the terminal, or the sterile area?
    Why refuse? To avoid tacit admission (and make Schumer the hero)?

    Forced additonal taxpayer dollars to TSA, union jobs...
  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I wonder if these signs will be as prominent as those explaining the opt out process for the whole body imaging Nude-O-Scope AIT?

    Which is to say that they really won't be visible at all...
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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yeah, just what we need -- another layer of bureaucracy, more paid TSA goons. Passenger advocate my (expletive deleted).
  6. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I don't disagree with the sentiment.

    However, when I've had to interact with higher level TSA people (and believe me, I don't relish the opportunity), they do seem more level-headed. They honestly and truly don't seem to believe that the front-line people do what they do. Of course, they institute abusive, stupid, and ineffective policy, which is inexcusable, but they do seem to really, really want to help, albeit they are totally clueless, which I guess makes them worse.
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  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I've always believed state police should be at the checkpoints, and as eager to side with travelers as with the TSA. They are in the position to become the best possible advocates, and such activity would do much to restore credibility to Police forces in general. It would also serve as a visible reminder that the Federal Executive branch may trample state or individual rights.

    Remember that the first word of VIPR is "visible." Visible thuggery isn't working well for the DHS or the TSA, but visible citizen advocacy would redeem States in a hurry, and send a strong message to the Fed.
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I think what you are seeing as a desire to help is more likely an effort to keep their name out of the funny papers. If TSA really wanted to fix what is wrong they would supervise the front line workers in a way that job performance could be corrected on the spot.
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Except that there have been many cases of cops siding with the TSA, which is not only disturbing but perplexing given how many of them say they can't stand the blue-shirted goons.
  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I agree that their partiality to Thugs Standing Around has been a problem, but who imagines a TSA employed passenger advocate won't favor the TSA goons as well.

    State cops who knew they were there to be impartial would go a long way toward restoring much-needed credibility to Police and the government in general.

    It's time government entities realize their credibility is on the line.
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    ...or that the TSA utterly lacks credibility, since they've flushed it all down the toilet.
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I would agree to a passenger advocate if they are not an employee of the government. Nor should they be an employee of the airlines. Best bet in my mind is an employee of the airport authority. This position should be as unencumbered as reasonably possible especially from pressure of the government or airline.
  13. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    The TSA is supposedly implementing an Internal Affairs board. I would rather have members of the flying public be members of this, rather than have some flunkie at the checkpoint that apologizes for Unpleasant Screening Experiences™.
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  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I took TSA over ten years to realize they needed internal affairs? Is it any wonder why TSA is AFU!
  15. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    HA!! So true.
  16. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    As Sunny said in the original thread on this topic, it's just ridiculous to require another layer of watchers to watch the watchers.
    Seriously, if these advocates aren't 100% independent this would be worse than not having them at all b/c it will serve as a release valve to the increasing discontent, and CYA for TSA. There is just NO WAY TSA can act as passenger advocates; their sorry record establishes that.
    The bill as-is needs to be, dare I say, "blown up" before it goes any further.
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  17. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I'm all for passenger advocates (in some weird parallel universe where flat-out abolition of TSA is not a possibility) provided one key criterion is met: Passenger advocates must have the authority of summary termination of screeners. Give them little portable label printers (think Zebra QL420) with pink label stock for effect, so they can literally hand out pink slips on the spot.

    Pax complains to pax-ad, pax-ad reviews security footage and finds pax is correct, calls smurf-clerk over. Smurf-clerk has one shot at counterargument and then pax-ad channels Donald Trump. "YOU'RE FIRED." Prints a pink-slip and the smurf-clerk gets to do the walk of shame out of the airport.

    Somehow I doubt these pax-ads will be granted teeth like that though.
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  18. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    From personal experience let me tell you, the entire organization, top down, is to defend the action of the front line employee. No. Matter. What.
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  19. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    This proposal is passenger advocacy theater (at your added expense).
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  20. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    No, it's worse.

    You'll be told that they regret you feel unhappy on the spot, rather than have to sort it out in the media.

    After all, why would any of this be necessary if these were all one-offs, as John Pistole claims?
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