Senator and leading gun control advocate tries to bring pistol onto plane [ORD]

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Sometimes we do need to give TSA ^ even if they do get there by accident.

    And so we give a big ^ to the screener at ORD who was just doing his job as it should be done when he discovered a .25 semiauto handgun in this hypocrite's carry-on baggage:

    WLS AM: Senator and leading gun control advocate tries to bring pistol onto plane

    Illinois State Sen. Donne Trotter was arrested Wednesday for trying to bring a handgun onto a flight from Chicago to Washington. TSA at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport found a loaded firearm in Trotter's bag. Trotter reportedly told investigators he didn't realize the pistol and ammunition were still in his bag after working a security job Tuesday night.

    This comes as a shock to some, as Trotter is a known gun control advocate. The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms says Trotter's carrying a .25-caliber Beretta semiautomatic pistol is a revealing look at the hipocracy of anti-gunners (
  2. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    Now that AA FA that was recently busted in ORD has some company. :p

    Something's fishy here; why would someone making that much money as a public servant need to moonlight as a security guard? The reason I ask is that before Ohio (just an example) became a "Shall Issue" carry permit State, there was some avenues open for a person employed as a security guard to carry a firearm when it would have been otherwise prohibited. What privileges do people employed in Chicago have in this regard?
  3. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    According to a few online sources, Illinois State Senators only make about $67-68k a year (insert joke of choice here about how low/high that actually is), so based upon cost of living index info, there would be a need of some of these folks to have secondary jobs to add to their personal bankrolls. That being said, I would not expect one of them to be moonlighting as an armed security guard... while actively preaching the gospel of gun control. The remainder of the hippocracy jokes seem to simply write themselves after you read the basics...
  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Agree. As a person who enjoys second amendment protections, I'm having some enjoyment watching this clown twisting in the wind. Sort of like that Sierra Club lawyer who built himself a mansion out of logs, consuming hundreds more trees than if he'd just built a framed house like everyone else.
  5. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    He will most likely build a defense position out of the "I have to have a job,, and this one is one I have been involved with for a bit, and carrying the gun is part of the job, due to the increase in gun related violence in this country." Maybe some other carefully formulated version of that basic sentiment to try and bring the discussion back around to the need for more and stronger gun control laws to prevent him from having to carry said gun as a condition of employment - which will play fairly well with some of the gun control advocates.

    I also enjoy my 2nd rights, I have had a gun since I was about 5-6 (admittedly that was a bb gun, followed closely by a single fire break down .22), and have been shooting both in a sporting format and competitive formats since then.
  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Oh, the irony.
  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    perhaps, but whatever he says will be drowned out by what he did, at least in the court of public opinion. Not that I care. The constituency that elected him will either re-elect him or elect his twin.

    We were out hunting rattlesnakes out on our ranch with 22 rifles when we were 7 years old, with no adult supervision. A different world back than. No way I'd have allowed my kids to do that at age 7.... I've got rid of my accurate benchers though, as I prefer to take my lightweight Sako on bambi and porky pig appreciation days instead...
  8. Eh, it's a pretty weak argument. I would guess not too many of the folks waging a street war in Chicago procured and carry their guns legally. Even if they are currently law-abiding thugs, gun control would not stop them from packing and subsequently killing each other.
  9. Yeah, fourth, not so much.
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    When I was ~13 a friend (same age & grade) would ride his bike 2-3 miles through town out into the countryside to hunt rabbits for food. They weren't the wealthiest family in town, so the extra food helped a bit.

    In Fremont, Nebraska, in 1967 nobody blinked twice at a kid biking through town with a .410 shotgun.

    No gun? No problem then. You could just order one from the Sears catalog.
  11. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Agreed, but the spectacle will fade to a more regional stage for him in the near future. The problem is that so many more people will buy a story like that now instead of asking the tough questions. If the person is in the mainstream thought process of that region, they usually get a little slap on the hand from the local media, with a couple of independent media sources asking the tough questions, and then it fades into the back ground. We do this on the national stage as well - we get the governmental figures we deserve.

    We never hunted rattlesnakes (or other snakes for that matter), but we did kill a few snakes while hunting. I have not been able to reconnect with hunting since I was in the Army, I can still talk about it, give advice on what to look for and take someone to an area and show them the best spots to set up a stand, but I just can't bring myself to shoot anything but targets at this point. I was taught about guns at the ripe old age of about 3 or 4, not really letting me handle them, but basic safety and what to do if I ever found one unattended. I was taught to shoot at about 6 with a bb gun, followed by the .22 a year or so later. We used to squirrel hunt with the .22 and then moved to a .308 when I was about 10 for deer hunting. I was on the "Hunter Safety Team" (read competitive shooting team) for my high school, and it was not even looked at twice for me to go to school with a 12 ga and a .22 and a bow hanging on the gun racks in my truck at school 2-3 times a week - different times indeed. I still think teaching kids about gun safety at an early age helps to cut down on accidental shootings.
  12. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Huge numbers of people in this country believe economic laws either don't exist or can be suspended indefinitely, that our government can manufacture funds out of thin air with no real consequence. Compared to that, and the scope of the real and unavoidable consequences that we are going to see in the next few years, I'm not getting my underwear up in a bunch over some other potential misconception on the part of the American public.

    We didn't hunt them to eat, we hunted them to eliminate them. We hated them snakes. We'd go up to chamisa groves and rockpiles where the snakes would gather for warmth, then we'd throw rocks around and listen for the rattle. Then zero in and blast 'em. Sometimes the snakes would burrow into the rockpile and we'd unpile it til we found the snake. I'm pretty sure we told our mother about our exploits. She was an RN. I can't imagine what she was thinking.

    Do you eat meat? There's no difference in going to the store and going to the woods, ethically. You're just doing your own killing and butchering. Y'oughta go out and take it up again. Nothing more savory than skinning a beast you just killed. You can smell the venison. Wonderful. Plus, most of the time you don't actually find, you just hunt. The experience of being outdoors with friends and family, the unusual creatures and things that happen are just priceless. Coming face to face with mountain lions and bears, hearing the elk bugle during mating season, gathering around a warm fire at 8,000 feet when it's freezing cold, those things are magnificent. Primary reality. If more people experienced primary reality, perhaps they'd treat each other better.
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  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That bugle weighs a lot when it's time to pack out the quarters, as I can personally attest.

    Still remember sliding down the mountain on my butt with the elk-quarter strapped to my pack frame -- too heavy to walk down the steep slope.
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  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    ha. yes. at those times you question your choice of far-removed-from-road hunting. my kingdom for a horse... My worst ever experience was packing our game over many acres of wind-downed trees on a steep mountainside with no other option but up and over a great many large downed trees. that was at 8900 feet. I hated life. consuming tons of oxygen with no way to get it back inside you....
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  15. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    To a man/woman, gun grabbers/victim disarmers are the worst sort of hypocrites. Just look at Ted Kennedy --" the only people who should be armed are the ones protecting me."
  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This is Illinois you're talking about -- that trooper's income of "only $67-68k a year" is pre-bribe income.
  17. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I agree and completely understand what you say about eating meat. I just lost the will somewhere along the way. I just can't come up with a better explanation than that, well other than the fact that the woman would probably be upset as well.

    We didn't really mess with snakes unless they were near the houses or popped up unexpectedly on the way to a stand or blind. I used to catch greens and black racers when I was a kid, much to the chagrin of my creeped out mother!

    I hear ya, we used to hunt right on the Broad river in SC, nothing like sitting in a stand at 0 dark 30, 30 degreesish and you finally get settled in, listening for movement and slowly kind of drift almost to sleep - that kind of suspended animation state right between wakefulness and zonking out.... And have a fighter jet come by on a mock strafing run following the river. That was a wake up call. Sitting and just watching the wildlife around you, and even that annoying little scrub squirrel that barked at you from 3 trees to the left - all morning. It really does give a better appreciation for the way this world really works outside of the concrete jungles we build. Man, now you have me itching for a stand again.... Bloody (expletive deleted).
  18. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    My worst haul out was nothing compared to that, we had dirt roads and 4 wheelers to within about, oh, maybe 500 yards or so of most of our hunting areas. I hauled a 210lb buck out on a branch sled at the age of 15, for maybe 300 yards, does that count?
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