Lawsuit Shoshana Hebshi: Some Real Shock and Awe: Racially Profiled and Cuffed in Detroit

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    It's time to turn our backs on airlines that cause these types of things to happen to its customers.

    I will not consider Frontier Airlines for any travel needs!

    If they go out of business to fricken bad.
  2. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    That problem with that strategy is that we will eventually have to boycott all airlines. This isn't an F9 only problem.
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  3. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    The best comment I saw on that MSNBC article: "This is not the country I grew up in."
  4. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    I thought the same things when I read the account. If I had been her (hindsight is great, of course), I would have insisted on being in front of the camera.

    I got the feeling the strip search was almost punitive. It just didn't make sense. You've got someone that you pulled off a plane because supposedly she might be a threat to airline safety. OK, if that's the case, the only way she can threaten the plane (or anyone else) is with access to something on her person - detonator, cellphone trigger, whatever.

    So when they take her off the plane, they ask her if she has explosives. They then take her to a cell and leave her there for a period of time - still no strip search. Then you send in a single person to make sure she has no explosives on her?

    If they really thought there was a threat, is this how they would have proceeded? I don't believe so. I think it was punitive or stupid or both. Certainly not necessary - the rest of their behavior makes that clear. You can almost see someone rolling their eyes and saying "I guess we better search her", knowing they're not likely to find anything - just 'out of an abundance of caution', after all, a little strip search of an innocent citizxen never hurt anyone, now did it?

    Sadly, she's not 'white' enough to really wake anyone up. Those idiots that still think TSA makes everyone safer (many of those idiots never fly), those idiots will likely be completely cool with this because, after all, you never can be too careful with brown people.:mad:
  5. NotaCriminal

    NotaCriminal Original Member

    I'd also like to know why she was fingerprinted if she was allegedly not arrested (per comments by the FBI in the Yahoo report) and had done nothing wrong (as the FBI has formally stated). If she hadn't done anything, then why the fingerprints?

    Heck, it wouldn't surprise me at this point if they had taken her DNA, too. :td:
  6. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Some of the comments there are despicable. One of many:
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If that is what it takes to turn this around then I say bye bye airlines.

    There will always be a group of people with the vision to fill a needed market segment.

    Dinosaurs are extinct because they were no longer able to sustain themselves.

    edited for clarity
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  8. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I believe she was fingerprinted because, well out of an abundance of caution, she is probably now in a Fusion Center database.

    In the extremely unlikely case she is involved in "another" "terrorist" plot :rolleyes: they now have a history on her. Can't be too careful these days.
  9. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The FBI is insisting that they did not participate in the strip search. That leaves local cops or DHS agents. My money is that it was local cops who did it. I'm praying this woman gets a good lawyer.
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  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    One LEO agency was in charge. Seems like the FBI would be the senior agency so I would say they are responsible for anything and everything that happened.
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  11. NotaCriminal

    NotaCriminal Original Member

    I get the feeling it was the airport police and the FBI is letting DHS or the local authorities take the PR hit, if I read a bit between the lines of the Yahoo story:

    Yeah, because being arrested, strip searched and being told to squat and cough always makes me feel very dignified and respected!
  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The problem isn't Middle Easterners. The problem is idiots - like that poster.
  13. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    I wonder if this means she's not eligible for 'trusted traveler'?

    Seriously. If she doesn't already have NEXUS or GE, I wonder if she is still eligible after this? I wonder if she will have problems if she tries to cross the Canadian border and they do any kind of check (like 'google')?

    In so many ways, none of the three can ever be made 'whole' again.

    That is not only wrong, it is deliberate on the part of our government. It's a version of "well, if there's smoke, there must be fire...somewhere...sometime" or "well, you must have done something wrong, because they've never singled me out like that".

    Grr.. I need to go work out now. It makes me angry just thinking about this. Time to push some weight.
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  14. myadvice

    myadvice Original Member

    On 9-11 there were several flights diverted/canceled due to safety paranoia including: Southwest 1307, USairways 457, United 368, Frontier 623, American 34 & American 1316. There were probabally other flights that we are currently unaware of that involve additional airlines. While not everyone on these flights got stripped searched, I can't think of a single airline that didn't have a security paranoia event over the last couple of year either. There is simply no "good-guy" airline left to reward.
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  15. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I'm not sure this is a bad thing.

    And really, by not flying at all, some of us are already boycotting all the airlines.
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  16. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I'd argue that once she was strip-searched the emergency was over. She should have been Mirandized at that point. That is, if you're relying exigent circumstances.
  17. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    How much of our discomfort, outrage and anger against such situations is a result of our own fragile egos? I mean, what is this American obsession with Civil Liberties, and Rights, and Freedom? All noble constructs, but are they higher than the Greater Good?
    And what is so humiliating about a strip search as long as it is conducted professionally and is deemed necessary?

    Okay, Vikas Tandon, I think your blog looks "suspicious". For the "Greater Good" I think you should be taken in and strip searched. :rolleyes:

    All I will say is look at the same situation from the eyes of a person who has lost a loved one in a terrorist attack.

    How many of us lost someone in a car accident? By your logic one would never again get into a car unless it was equipped with a Kevlar seat and five point racing harness, while wearing Nomex gear and a helmet.
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  18. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    That's a very interesting observation, and I don't spend any time on Faceb:rolleyes::rolleyes:k.
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I'm not a lawyer but why should a person be strip searched (prevent introduction of contraband to a jail) before being placed under arrest? Seems these events were backwards.

    I don't know if she has any legal recourse but I hope she does and can make the airline, airline crew, and police pay dearly.
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  20. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

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