Lawsuit Shoshana Hebshi: Some Real Shock and Awe: Racially Profiled and Cuffed in Detroit

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Yeah. I can't bring myself to hit the "like" button, even though I'm in lock step with you here. What happened to this woman is extremely creepy.
     
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  2. KrazyKat

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  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

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  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Take a look at some jury verdicts and awards of cases that look a LOT like those of Hebshi....
    http://www.jvra.com/verdict_trak/professional.aspx?page=17&search=491

    Related to this, the US 9th and 11th circuits allow blanket strip searches of arrested persons, even though for minor traffic tickets or municipal ordinance (parking tickets??!!). this issue has been taken up by the US supreme court is considering a case accepted in April of this year Florence v. Board of Chosen Freeholders (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/04/prweb5240484.htm) that challenges this...
     
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes. And only now are so many in America waking up to this stuff. All these violations have been visited on poor people, marginalized people, for decades. (Centuries if we really wanna talk history.) And in the way of the world, everything that is visited on the few will someday be visited on the many. If Soshana Hebshi weren't a bright, articulate, middle-class woman with a blog, we probably would never have heard about her ordeal -- and that of the two Indian men who are still unknown to us. And god knows how many others out there.
     
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  7. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    In Atlanta, the cops have been performing "routine" cavity searches on the side of the road. No joke.

    APD Out of Control!

    The fruitless search turned up $200K for the victim.
     
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This has also happened in Baltimore. As I keep saying -- that which is visited upon the weakest of us eventually is visited upon us all.
     
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  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Well, so long as you have nothing to hide. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. gojirasan

    gojirasan Original Member

    Reading those jury verdicts is a reminder of just how much worse cops tend to be than TSOs. They both tend to have the same kind of personalities that glorify and love violence, but the cops have guns and virtual immunity from prosecution for just about anything up to and including murder. TSOs can't get away with nearly as much in terms of rights violations. And there are usually witnesses due to the setting. Of course this thread is about LEOs and their mad, sadistic, power tripping, violent ways. In some ways that woman was lucky that the LEOs didn't plant drugs, weapons, or explosives on her and then arrest her after beating her night sticks and torturing her with taser shocks. One way to win the war on terror is to create terrorists out of thin air. It's a scary country we live in.
     
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  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    For whoever want to know exactly what happened to Hebshi, here is a US Bureau of Prisons video that shows exactly how to do a strip search on men and women. This is the procedure that is done in jails throughout the country, even if for a minor situation such as not paying a traffic ticket. And now, for sitting next to someone ON AN AIRCRAFT!!! who goes to the bathroom one time too many...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kaHrZLzW_g

    or, as this actual video shows, from a successful multi million dollar lawsuit:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6UFG3BIhbc
     
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I remember seeing that first video a while ago. The second one's horrifying -- how can anyone be surprised at what the U.S. did in Abu Ghraib (and god knows what's still going on in Bagram) when prisoners in our own country are treated like this?
     
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I've always wondered how many of the TSA employees who like to talk about their military experience were involved in Abu Ghraib. Seems like they'd be a shoe-in for TSA work.
     
  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Probably zero. As I understand it, most of the problems at Abu Ghraib involved contractors, not military personnel.

    Incidentally, the company that provided those contractors is now a subsidiary of L3, the nude-o-scope company. :D
     
  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Eleven convictions accompanied by dishonorable discharges.

    How many more soldiers were involved? We'll probably never know.
     
  16. Redacted

    Redacted Original Member

    I don't agree. Unless they come forward, we need to respect their privacy, and don't expect the media to betray that. And the only reason we know Shoshanna's story is because of her blog. Attention is focused on the only person who is out. Her story was heavily promoted by TUG and FT/TS&S and others and not because she was "privileged" and "middle class".
     
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  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    If your speciality is proctology, you have got to be upset by this turn of events...
     
  18. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    What are you trying to say? :eek:
     
  19. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I remember that case fairly well, in spite of the passage of time. Charles Graner was a real piece of work.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Graner

    I agree that while the soldiers, (mostly reservists), were really bad, there's reason to suspect that the worst was committed by or at the behest of contractors/CIA.

    It was a sick, sad case. I don't think Graner's working for the TSA. He's going to worm his way into a position to abuse others again eventually. Before Abu Ghraib he worked in a State prison facility, where he perfected the disgusting stuff he perpetrated at Abu Ghraib. That's a fact, not a suspicion.
     
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  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It is very much our business whom our government is detaining and strip searching in our name. If it hadn't been for Shoshana's blog, most of the public would have bought into the government's predictable lie that they were just questioned and released. Now we know otherwise, and the media has a moral obligation to research and report the rest of the story, and to continue to do so whenever this happens.
     

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