Lawsuit Shoshana Hebshi: Some Real Shock and Awe: Racially Profiled and Cuffed in Detroit

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. VH-RMD

    VH-RMD Original Member

    you Americans must feel so proud about what your nation has become.

    You should really think about exporting the concept to less 'informed' nations, I am sure they would appreciate it.
     
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  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I'd gladly ship DHS to Oz, but you might give us internet censorship in exchange. :D
     
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  3. VH-RMD

    VH-RMD Original Member

    oft discussed, but still not implemented...

    I was thinking of those less 'informed' heathen nations , who have an affinity for tea towel wearing (and may just have vast reserves of OIL)
     
  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Exactly what some of the wankers -- oops, I mean fine upstanding citizens -- were saying in comments at her blog post. "What's the big deal?" And, of course, the practiced Stockholm Syndrome exhortation: "We're only doing this for your protection!"
     
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    There were several accounts of "too much time in the bathroom." Whether this was one of them or not I can't keep track, though all after-the-fact reports were that the stories of Mile-High Club shenanigans were fabrications. And certainly in this case, this woman, Shoshana, didn't even know the two guys seated in the same row with her who were also taken off the plane and abused.
     
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Reason Magazine has a post up about it this morning:


    http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/12/blogger-shoshana-hebshi-claims
     
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  7. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    There's an exception to the Miranda rule for public emergencies, I believe there was a case of a gun hidden in a grocery store, and the public emergency was to find the gun before some toddler found it and shot Betty Crocker or the Green Giant. Hence, an inquiry into "where is the bomb" on an aircraft probably wouldn't have to have the Miranda rights, although what the limits might be to this exception I don't know.

    In terms of cooperation with the strip search, under these circumstances, any passenger who did not cooperate would have been tasered at a minimum.
     
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Miranda is Obama's latest victim
    March 24, 2011

     
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  9. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    This Detroit thing has the mark of planning to it. There were lawyers involved at a high level deciding what could be done to the three persons arrested. They were all in very grave danger of long-term incarceration, possibly in a military brig as "enemy combatants."
     
  10. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Your reply to "Dan" was dead-on, Lisa.
     
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Planning? I don't think it was planned. The only thing planned was the over-reaction by the powers-that-be. This is their MO anymore.
     
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  12. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    What I mean is that there was some kind of protocol worked out for this, and once they had an excuse, they turned the knob up to 11. Once they had the people in custody, some one at a high level directed them to not give Miranda rights, strip search them, and interrogate them. Resistance or even failure to cooperate anywhere along the way would have result in a beat down in the classic Rodney King style, except of course there would be no citizens about to video tape it.
     
  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Ah, yes. Agreed. Though as you can see from Glenn Greenwald's piece back in March, Miranda rights had already been eviscerated.
     
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  14. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Yes, under the terrorism exception to the constitution. BTW, I think there were so many of these "terror! terror!" incidents on 9/11/11 that it might be useful making a collection. Also, I think we have to expand the concern beyond just TSA, because again it is the climate of fear which permits all of this to occur, and TSA is only a part of it. Notice also that the fact that TSA had screened all persons on board gave no confidence whatever to anyone.
     
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  15. lkkinetic

    lkkinetic Original Member

    Cool; I lurk on #privchat a lot, very informative.
     
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, TSA has always been just part and parcel of the (deliberately hyped) climate of fear. The entire security apparatus -- what we've been calling the National Security State -- is involved. But it's so big, so massive, with its hoary tentacles so far into so many aspects of society -- and the willful ignorance of so many Americans is so strong -- that I'm at a loss. That's why I'm so pessimistic. All I can do is keep talking about, keep trying to publicize it, even as I know that most people don't give a damn.
     
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  17. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And frankly, given what happened to Eugene Debs in 1918, and many other people fallen victim to the Espionage Act, which is as black and odious as the Patriot Act, it's hard to have much hope.

    P.S. And Korematsu v. United States still stands. It allowed for the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII. It has never been overturned.
     
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  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

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  20. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    OMG

    Unlawfully detained
    Searched without probable cause or warrant
    Interrogated Without Legal Counsel

    I'm sure there's more.

    The United States is in deep trouble.
     
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