Lawsuit Shoshana Hebshi: Some Real Shock and Awe: Racially Profiled and Cuffed in Detroit

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    Interesting quote in the WP interview:

    "Frontier Airlines did not get in touch with her or apologize. In a statement, the company said, “The primary responsibility of our flight crews … the pilots and flight attendants … is the safety of all passengers on board the aircraft at all times.”
    The company went on to say that only the two men had been reported to authorities for suspicious activity and all other “actions taken by federal authorities after the report were their own and were made without any further involvement from Frontier or any company employee."

    Somebody's lying here. F9 reports 2 male pax, but ...what? The FBI sees a third brown person in the same row and just tossed her in for good measure? Out of an abundance of caution?

    F9 doesn't believe they own the woman an apology. I wonder if they feel the same way about the two male pax?
  2. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The more I read about this, the angrier I get.
  3. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

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  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The story is finally linked on Drudge, but the link is to Breitbart, which does not reference the entire blog account:

    Passenger: Cuffed, searched over 'appearance'...

    You have to drill down into the comments to find links to the blog.

    So many of the comment are just out of this world.
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Frontier should be made to feel some economic pain over this. They are highly leveraged, not the healthiest airline. Frontier itself isn't even calling the shots anymore -- they were bought out of bankruptcy two years ago (after Southwest looked over their books and game them a :td:) by one of their regional airlines -- Republic, which also bought out Midwest Airlines after its management ran it into the ground.

    We should punish F9 until they're on their knees begging to have an apology accepted.
  6. lindabarlow

    lindabarlow Original Member

    I liked the Atlantic piece and blog on my Facebook account today and got zero comments from my friends. People are just oblivious. Unless it happens to them, they don't care.

    I think I need a new set of friends.
  7. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Ugh, lindabarlow, I linked it in a heated discussion with friends of a friend on Facebook who were telling her that we should never forget! 9/11! USA!

    I got: "Stop telling me how to raise my kids" and "Maybe you should do something productive instead of sitting with your facebook 'friends'" all day."

    You should be glad it was ignored. These people are so stupid (and many of them, BTW, are brown) if they read the blog at all, they just don't get it.
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  8. I realized I missed a huge one for my list of psuedo acts of kindness that actually benefit the cops here:

    So, on one hand, this would appear to be compassion for this woman. Out of view of the camera so nobody else can ever see her naked, and facing away so she can preserve a little dignity, not having to look at someone watching her get undressed. But on the other hand, she's out of view of the camera, so the details of her strip search are not recorded for her lawsuit. And, with her back turned, the cop doesn't have to look her in the eye and confront what she's doing to an innocent.

    The more I think about this, the more perverse it becomes. She's a little vague about the details of the search, but if she remained facing away, the whole search would seem pointless. What if she had something tucked under her breasts, as TSA assures us is a very real possibility? Also, with only one other person in the cell, what if she did pull a gun or charge the guard with a knife? I don't know anything about strip search protocol, but it would seem that this wasn't really in place to protect the guard.

    Also, maybe it's me, but I find bantering about someone's tattoo you notice while you're strip-searching them to be quite crass.
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  9. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I'll share mine with you as I, too, posted it and 6% of my friends commented favorably! Then again, 6% of 33 doesn't say too much. ;)

    I agree that people just won't care until it happens to them.
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  10. NotaCriminal

    NotaCriminal Original Member

    Same here...

    I think I'm in the same boat. Sigh. It's a sad commentary that my friends will need a strip search and a cavity search before they finally get it.
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  11. myadvice

    myadvice Original Member

    I think there is a correlation between the attitude of "I have nothing to hide" and those that are willing to post their drunken escapades, details of their sexual encounters, and other private information on social media for all to see. These folks can't see why anyone would want to keep anything private unless they were up to no good. Eventually this attitude will bite them in the rear. Even then, few of these folks would realize that they were bitten.
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    God, this is so true. I'm so sick of the apathy.
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  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This is a tremendous problem with young people who've grown up thinking they have no expectation of privacy. Nor any desire for it.

    But most of my friends are in their 40s and 50s. There's no excuse for them. They just choose to stick their heads in the sand.
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    It's obnoxious.
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  15. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    Not that I was so inclined, but this makes me even less likely to use F9 for anything other than on my Keyboard.
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  16. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Heck, TSA has told us that her breasts are likely to be the bomb. I can't imagine they wouldn't have looked at the front, but then again, you make an excellent point that they probably were trying to make her as unhuman as possible for their own sanity.

    Also, if they really believed she was a threat, well, then yeah they probably would have had someone else in the cell. I'm a doctor, and sometimes perform examinations that require removal of clothing and contact with intimate areas. It was drilled into us at school that you never, never, never go into a room with a patient in this situation alone. That this officer apparently went into a cell alone is both stupid and dangerous.

    And the comment on the tattoo? It's vile.
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  20. NotaCriminal

    NotaCriminal Original Member

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