Should the military get a pass?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Should the military get a pass?

    A cynic might suspect that the bill represents an attempt to pander to the country’s vociferous exhortations to “support the troops,” while a rationalist might ask if perhaps one would better support them by not sending them off to slaughter in the first place. But I digress.

    The upshot is that military men and women and their families are now supposed to get hassled less by the TSA, breezing through security more easily than the rest of us.

    Is this a good idea? Are members of the military any more or less likely to commit violence than the hoi polloi?[/QUOTE]
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  2. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    I wonder what the definition of 'family' is (thinking of what I've seen at boarding - one infant, 6 adult 'family members').

    There was an incident a few years back, can't recall all details. IIRC, it was in New York, government building (I think it was city), folks had to go through the scanner. I believe a councilman bypassed security (it was allowed) along with a companion. Unfortunately, the companion brought along a gun and there was some shooting. I don't think anyone ever suggested the the councilman was complicit in what happened, but it raised a lot of questions about exemptions.

    OT, but one of the requirements for military expedited screening is 'travelling on orders'. Wonder how much training the TDCs are going to need to be able to recognize orders - and distinguish fake orders from the real thing.

    But to answer your direct question: sadly, even military guys have gone off the rails. Statistically pretty unlikely, but statistically it's pretty unlikely that babies in diapers or grannies will go off the rails or be used as a tool, but we don't exempt them.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Comment posted.
  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I don't think it's "pretty unlikely" at all considering the suicide rate among the military who have been to Iraq and/or Afghanistan, the number of traumatic brain injuries suffered and the amount of PTSD among the troops coming home.
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Exactly what I said in my piece.
  7. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I don't understand the angle of criminal activity being used to show that service members should not receive expedited screening. Their belongings will still be x-rayed, they will still go through the walk through metal detector, and be subjected to Explosive Trace Detection. It's just common sense screening that everyone should be going through. I just don't agree that some animals should be more equal than others. ;)
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I agree that some animals shouldn't be more equal than others.

    The point about the likelihood of violence is simply that psychological problems + weapons is a bigger security threat than a woman with a cupcake. Or a granny in a wheelchair. If we're talking security -- and you already know I don't believe the TSA has anything to do with security -- but since they claim they're concerned about security, about risk, about threats, then logic dictates that someone with a short fuse and access to weapons has more of a propensity for violence than I do. So why is that person getting preferential treatment? We all know why. So that politicians can score cheap points. And so Americans can pretend they're "supporting the troops."
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have said for some time that a basic screening consisting of WTMD, Baggage xray, and ETD test should be the extent of a screening unless cause is generated for a more in depth look. This basic screening should be used on each and every person who crosses from the unsecured side of the airport to the secured side. Now if the basic screening turns up something then I think it would be reasonable to take extra steps. Most of those steps are already in place. I have had others make excuses for airport workers, having to take tools and such in with them. Do those acts have to happen each day? I think not, one day to have tools and other personal gear inspected and inventoried. After that only the same things I can take in as a passenger. Food could be obtained in the secure area or they could leave the secure area knowing clearing screening would be required to re-enter.

    Simplified screening can be used for all and doing so would declutter the checkpoints and allow TSA to focus on those who present a threat.

    The one thing it would not do is help Pistole's Perverts continue building their empire.
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