Smarter Travel interviews a true believer

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Mar 24, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Smarter Travel: TSA Tell-All: 'The Terrorists Always Seem to Be One Step Ahead'

    Smart girl. We need more passengers like her. :D

    *yawn*

    See Sunny Goth's post about the propaganda films they train with. :rolleyes:

    I don't appreciate you because you threaten me, call the cops on me to intimidate me, do illegal drug searches on my wife when your baggage x-ray shows hypodermic needles (by prescription) in her carryon, and grope my wife under her bra.

    Rot in (expletive deleted), (expletive deleted).

    You're a bad boy, Jon. No dinner for you.
     
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  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member



    Oh, it exists alright. In blue smocks and strapping on blue gloves. Violating basic human dignity and destroying the fundamental agreement we have with our government by subjecting citizens to butt, breast, and groin gropings for no reason at all, even after they clear the TSA strip search machines. Treating everyone like prisoners being processed. This is far worse than someone trying to blow up something. How often has this happened btw---once, twice? And how often are passengers treated like processed prisoners--millions and hundreds of millions of times?
     
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  3. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    It sounds like that TSA Screener is describing themselves...
     
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  4. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    ST: What do you think about the blogger who claims that he can beat the body scanners?

    TSO: I haven't seen or heard about that as of yet, but what I can tell you is that there will always be someone trying to beat or figure out ways to hurt Americans. It is called terrorism, and it does exist, and there are those who want to see Americans dead.

    Wow. Did this person just call Jon a terrorist?? :eek:

    TSO: On my first week of employment, I dealt with two of the worst female passengers ever. The first one was a young girl who was traveling with a friend. They were late getting to the checkpoint, and the plane was loading. The passengers had to be screened, and one wouldn't let my trainer, who was shadowing me, touch her. She wanted paper towels to stand on and to cover her feet. She insisted that I be the one to screen her. Every time I tried to do my job of the pat-down, she would move and say, "don't touch me." It was awful, and in my opinion, she should have never been allowed to travel being such a pain in the butt. I felt like we should have called the police on duty and have them there while I screened her. Maybe she would have been more cooperative.

    Wow, again. Leave it to the TSA to not understand why we don't want them to grope us. And how dirty is that floor? I wouldn't want to stand there in bare feet. I'd always wear socks, but still. When I was flying, I'd always bring an extra pair of socks so that I could change out of the ones I was wearing at the checkpoint. Just yuck.

    And just to top off the interview, not only does this TSA agent feel like the girl shouldn't be able to fly because she didn't want to be treated like a sheep, but additionally, he/she feels the police should have been called to intimidate the girls into letting the TSA agents grope them.

    Wow. Just wow.
     
  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    elegantly short and to the point. I second the sentiment....
     
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  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Not one of my finer moments ;) but sometimes these creeps really get under my skin.
     
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Great example of why TSA should NEVER have any law enforcement authority -- so many of them would just take it upon themselves to ratchet up the intimidation and abuse in these situations.
     
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Being able to communicate effectively is critical in today's fast moving world. I think your message would be clearly received, thus effective.
     
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  9. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    Had breakfast with my best friend this morning. Told me on her recent flight she was chosen to go through the scanner. When she exited she was approached by a TSA agent and told she had to pat her down. Why my friend asked, I just was scanned. No answer from the agent - just told her to stand there. I asked her if the scanner had alarmed - not to her knowledge. Well, then, why didn't you INSIST the agent answer your question as to why you then needed a pat down and if she still wouldn't answer you then ask for a supervisor. Bet you all know the answer she gave me....... didn't want to miss her flight. My friend is not a stupid woman - she's a successful business person. Knows my views about the TSA, thought about saying something but didn't. And this is just one more person who makes it difficult for some of us to try and make changes. When are people going to wake up?
     
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  10. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Did the scanner have ATR? If so, isn't the passenger supposed to be able to see the screen indicating whether the passenger is cleared or whether an anomaly was detected?
     
  11. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I don't think she was paying attention to that. Was totally taken off guard by the agent approaching her about the pat down thinking since she went through the scanner she was clear. I asked her if she was given any indication they saw something on the scanner and she told me no - and, as I stated, the agent would not answer her when she asked why she now had to have the pat down. During the pat down the agent touched her hair (which is really short), her shoulders and her waist band but did not touch her breasts at all. I asked if she was touched anywhere else - said she couldn't recall. I do know my friend was mad - said she wanted to rip all her clothes off (and believe me she'd do it) but didn't SAY anything. I'm the mouthy one in our friendship.
     
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  12. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Sounds like a pretty typical false positive.

    I have never experienced it, but I personally find the hair fondling among the most repulsive of TSA actions. And it seems like it's pretty common --

    https://twitter.com/#!/search/tsa hair
     
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Or the UPJG (Universal Post-Jon Grope)! :D

    'cause now that the world knows it's ineffective, everybody must be groped.
     
  14. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I did ask her if she insisted on the agent changing her gloves. Nope. I said to her - so you let this woman who has already touched hundreds of passengers put her dirty filthy gloves which have been God knows where in your hair and then go inside the the back of your waist band? And then I saw it - the light bulb moment for her. I'm not sure she'll ever come over to "our side" but maybe next time she'll say something. (And as for her hair, it's not more than 2 inches long all over her head and the back is tapered like a man's haircut so where exactly was she going to hide anything?).
     
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  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And this is what most of the sheeple think. Even though we have been hammering away for over two years the fact that just because you go through the scanner doesn't mean you won't still be singled out for a grope.

    I'm so sick of saying it, and so sick of the willful ignorance out there.
     
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  16. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    that, above all, brings home the point that this is a prisoner search, nothing less.
     
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  17. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    She's listened to my rants about the TSA for years. Her reply has always been, "what's the big deal" - well, now she's experienced what the big deal is.
     
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    One grope at a time . . . .
     
  19. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I hear you Monica, it's pretty much the same story with me and my circle. And I'm never less amazed with each conversation. The acceptance is so weird. Many will fight for the right to bear arms, make noise and get behind all sorts of other issues like censorship, but willing and actively deny the practices of DHS/TSA to the point that whenever I get them to one of our tireless points, they will simply change the subject and ignore me.
    If there's someone who has or wants a psychology or sociology degree, here's a topic that will net a degree or two.
     
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Except it's already been studied to death. And it's encapsulated in one word: Denial.
     

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