So flashlights are not okay

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by FaustsAccountant, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I've always traveled with a little flashlight in my bag. It's a cheap $2, LED, plastic one, very small and powered by a AAA battery. I don't think its too unreasonable to be carrying one.

    This morning, passing out of MSP, during my op-out the screener was also training in a fellow screener and while going to each item in my bag, she saw the flashing light. She switched it on and off a few times, opened it up to look at the batteries and then declared that the item was prohibited and I would have to surrender it. We go through the song and dance and I ended letting her keep it in the box full of other "dangerous items" such as lighters and whatnot.

    So apparently a 3 inch long, plastic flashlight with 3A batteries is now a prohibited item.

    Good news for my fellow flyers, the airplane I was on landed safely at the intended destination on time and without incident and I have finished my visit to the local Walgreens to pick up another flashlight that is the same-except for color.

    Why should a female, traveling anywhere carry a small flashlight? I've been stuck in hotels during power outs, in the subways of NYC during the blackout, and countless other places where a flashlight was super handy-outside of work. But hey. I should rely on the kindness of strangers more often.
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's complete bull:poop:. The screeners now have nice a little LED flashlight for those times when they're stuck in a hotel during power outs, etc. You should have escalated.

    My wife has one on her key chain so she can see to put the key in the lock when she gets home after dark.

    These little arbitrary confiscations are yet another reason why many of us quit flying.
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  3. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    And you just know that the smurf-clerk took it as a stocking stuffer for one of its foul, misbegotten smurf-spawn.
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  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    ... who will probably grow up to be just like mommy & daddy.
  5. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    (expletive deleted) thieves! I am so sick of hearing about these god awful stupid TSA employees. If I saw one on fire, I wouldn't p33 on him/her.
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  6. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I've carried one of those little flashlights on my key ring since I was in college. It's a safety device.

    Another reason why I quit flying - I know I would have escalated - and snarkily too. I probably would have gotten kicked out of the airport or arrested. Or both.
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  7. JKT

    JKT Original Member

    Can we not make them show us the regulations prohibiting an item? When they cannot, do they not lose the argument? I'm missing something here. What if one of them suddenly declared a laptop to be prohibited?
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    They don't follow their own explicitly-stated-on-the-TSA's-own-website rules.

    They make (expletive deleted) up whenever they feel like it.

    They never lose the argument because they have complete power.

    And they have deliberately destroyed people's property -- including laptops -- as punishment (that's two different links there).
  9. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I have to wonder if this screener was being "through" because she was training someone else in, flexing the blue gloves to display authority and all.
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    At MSP unless you're really hard pressed for time, it's easy to go to another checkpoint.
  11. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    True but I had already started the process at this checkpoint. My fav, #5 wasn't open.
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But starting the process doesn't mean that you have to go through with it there if they decide that you are going to voluntarily surrender they are going to steal something. You always have the option of leaving to check the item, mail it yourself or whatever*.

    *e.g. sneak off to another checkpoint
  13. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Thats :trash:, I carry a flashlight on my person and in my bag bag for more reasons why then why not. Im not talking about those cheap ones either (ballpark $30-150 ea) as they are designed for heavy duty use or rated for underwater to 300'+. I will never "surrender" any of them, as my fist can do more damage then a flashlight. If a TSA idiot wants to pull that, I will chew them and their and supervisors asses out, if they still want to play the game then PD is going to get involved because a police report will be filed if not charges (and handcuffs applied to a smurf) for any and all laws that apply.
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  14. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Just more of the sanctioned transfer of wealth to the thieves and thugs. :td: The theft makes me really mad too-:mad:-it's more abuse, more indignity, more violation via personal property. People could write dissertations on this bullying...
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  15. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Oh heck if it was my Stinger flashlight I wouldn't let the song and dance end like it did. I'm just glad there were a lot of people there to witness the silliness of the whole incident.
    I can't get through on how silly this whole theatrical production is with words so let them watch with their own eyes.
    If I got even one person to start questioning, $2 is well worth it.
  16. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    "Ill gotten gains seldom prosper" and all that.
  17. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I think you are in denial, Fausts'. In this "post-9/11 world" the only ones who seem to be prospering are those whose gains are ill gotten.
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  18. RadioGirl

    RadioGirl Original Member

    'Anyone who thinks "crime doesn't pay" hasn't been watching the US gov't lately.' (And my dad said that back in the 70's. The more things change...)
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  19. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    This was not about prohibiting items, this was a lesson to the new screener in how to assert power over passengers.
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  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Then you either let them confiscate accept the voluntary surrender of your laptop, or you don't fly.

    "To ensure travelers' security, Transportation Security Officers Employees (TSEs) may determine that an item not on the Prohibited Items List is prohibited."

    (Especially when the TSA employee decides that someone's stuff would make a nice Christmas present for themselves or their rotten spawn.)

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