Video Sobbing Woman Suffers Obama TSA Patdown

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Those comments are probably from "interested parties" trying to squelch this. I think it is unlikely to be anything real. We are seeing concerted efforts at psyops, I believe, including DOS attacks at web sites deemed dangerous, such as www.kingworldnews.com, which exposes the precious metal manipulation game.
     
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Wish I could believe this. But I've witnessed too many people blaming the victim in other cases as well -- rape, for example. Millions of people don't give a (expletive deleted). They're quick to blame the victim.
     
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    "Although TSA has not been contacted by this passenger, an internal review shows that our officer took extra time and care to explain the process before screening and during the pat-down."

    So if a rapist takes extra time and care to explain the process then it becomes the victims problem that they still find being raped a horrible event, at least that seems to be TSA's position.
     
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  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    just another part of the sadism. they tell you what they're going to do to you before they do it.
     
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  5. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I know it's another discussion for another time/place but "blame the victim" is another of those weird human mentalities I've never understood. There's a person who's wronged and a person doing the wronging. Isn't it obvious who's who? Not a rhetorical question, either - Isn't it obvious?
     
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Shrinks have come up with all sorts of explanations for this ("talismanic protection" being one -- "If I ignore/dismiss this, it can't happen to me"), and while I appreciate the psychological/sociological elements of human behavior, in the end I don't care. It's wrong. It's wrong to blame the victim, it's wrong to defend the abuser, and I'm sick of hearing people do it.
     
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  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Of course their "internal review" shows that their "officer" took extra time and care. Sure didn't look like it to me at the end of the video. Any compassionate person (or person who KNEW what they did was wrong), would have spent a couple of extra minutes with her.
     
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    A Pre-K drop out would have been able to tell that something was wrong and needed a different approach. And TSA is what you end up with when no hiring standards are in place.

    How much more of this TSA crap can go down before someone is finally held accountable?
     
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    It is to weep: TSA “pat-down” of woman in Madison

    by DEBORAH NEWELL TORNELLO on APRIL 17, 2012
     
  10. I agree, these "internal reviews" have no credibility. I don't believe for a second they dispatched a crack team of investigators to track down this particular screener at this particular airport for a thorough debriefing, and a review of the tapes to verify her story. All in about two days. Nope, don't believe it.

    I wish the videographer would respond to this, if he in fact noticed the woman before she was crying. He might know if she did in fact choose a patdown, or if this was a post-scan grope, and if there was indeed "extra time and care" taken. (Seriously? For an opt out patdown? Extra time and care? Don't believe it.) Not that it matters, it's still a coerced sexual assault IMO, but I'd love for the TSA to be caught in their lie here.
     
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Doesn't matter how many lies they're caught in. We've been exposing their lies for years. First-person accounts, eyewitness testimony, lawsuits, frigging video evidence. None of it matters. The abuse continues. And the apologists just ratchet up their viciousness.
     
  12. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    TSA says she refused the MMW and refused a private room - which was wise because God only knows what would have happened to her in there.
     
  13. I'm just wondering if it was not an opt-out, but instead was a post-scan grope. She's not standing on yellow footprints, and I don't see her stuff anywhere. That looks more like post-scan grope to me. Which the TSA wants us to believe are no big deal, and hardly happen to anybody.
     
  14. yautjalady

    yautjalady Original Member

    I forwarded it to my husband, he could barely watch it, he was so enraged.

    As to whether it was a post-scan or opt-out, maybe the lady thought it would consist of small pats and not rubs... thus her reaction when it wasn't anything like what she had been told.

    As to those pro tsa posters, guess none of em has been a victim of abuse.. PTSD is REAL.

    If I have to go anyplace, I'm driving, even if it takes two days to get there :(
     
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Does it really matter where or why that incident took place?

    TSA claims they treat people with dignity and I say that video proves they do not.
     
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  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    You're lucky that you have a sympathetic partner. My circle of friends and family just shrug.

    Really, if I stop to think about this stuff too long I just become infuriated. I wouldn't be able to talk to any of them. But I will say again: they deserve what's coming to them.
     
  17. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I tend to agree with this assessment. The comments in the Daily Mail were so vicious and so numerous that it would appear to be a concerted effort. While I agree with Lisa that "blame the victim" is common, these comments all had a "different" feel to them.
     
  18. I think it only matters in that TSA wants the public to believe the MMW reduces your risk of a grope. If this was a post-scan grope, it would help demonstrate that nobody's safe from fondling hands at the airport.
     
  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    A point we've been trying to get across for two years, yet people still don't know it. Or claim they don't know. Believe me, no one in my circle of friends is clued in to this. Even my husband, who's heard me talking about this stuff for years, said to me recently, "But you won't get the pat-down if you go through the scanner."

    Really, why do I bother anymore.
     
  20. I don't understand why some people get a whole big grope fest after they go through the scanner (I've read more than one story like this), and some people get a targeted patdown of their arm or whatever alarms (which is lame, but less offensive to most people). Maybe it's a MMW/backscatter difference? Like, whoever's peeping in the back room is incompetent so they just give you the full monty anyway? None of it is okay with me, but I'm curious about why it happens.
     

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