Southwest Prangs Airplane @ La Guardia

Discussion in 'Other Aspects of Aviation Security' started by RB, Jul 22, 2013.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

  2. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I suspect it did.

    In the various airplanes I have seen that have lost a nose gear during landing touching down on the nose gear before the mains is always suspect. High lateral forces can also shear the nose strut off the mounts. The aircraft attitude to land like that is completely wrong for a normal landing and there is little excuse for it to happen. Usually something along the lines of the pilot diving at the deck trying to force a landing at a certain point on the runway instead of maintaining attitude and landing a little long or just going around again if things don't look right.
  4. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    NTSB said it was 3 degrees nose down, instead of 6 nose up.
    View out a cabin window looks flat to the ground:
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Just ran across this ...

    UK Daily Mail: Southwest Airlines captain took control from first officer just 400 feet from the ground before NY airport crash (Aug 7 2013)
    • It's unusual for a co-pilot or captain to take over a plane that's landing
    • 16 people were injured in the July 22 crash, that is still being investigated
    • No mechanical malfunctions have been found at this time
    The captain of a Southwest Airlines plane that landed on a collapsing nose gear at LaGuardia Airport in July took control from the first officer just 400 feet from the ground, it was revealed yesterday. It's unusual for a co-pilot or captain to take over a plane that's landing when it's so close to the tarmac unless there are 'profound' safety issues, a private aviation expert said.


    'A preliminary examination of the nose gear indicated that it failed due to stress overload.'

    The NTSB said that as the plane approached LaGuardia the captain had been monitoring the landing and suddenly took over from the first officer.
    NTSB officials said the latest information was only 'a factual update' and they could not answer further questions as the probe continues. Private aviation consultant Peter Goelz, a former NTSB managing director, said it's clear the NTSB is focusing on the first officer's performance. He said it's unusual for a captain to take over the command of a landing aircraft in the final moments 'unless he is asked to by the co-pilot – or unless the captain perceives there is a problem and that he must intervene because of profound safety concerns.'

    Southwest seems to have confirmed that it was a nose-down landing:

    In a statement issued just after the accident, Southwest said the aircraft's nose gear had collapsed upon landing. It said last month that a nose-pointed-down landing described by investigators violated its normal procedures.

    Via the UK Daily Mail, this is an NTSB photo of the electronics bay after it was penetrated by the landing gear:


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