Lawsuit Stacy Armato

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Elizabeth Conley, Dec 16, 2011.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Could it be that the suit has just been filed?
     
  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Heckifiknow. That's why I'm askin'.
     
  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    FYI, one of the coaches, can you please correct thread title? It's Stacy Armato, with an "r." Thanks!
     
  6. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    I read the linked recap and now have a burning pit in my stomach. I hope her lawsuit is the straw that breaks the back of TSA in terms of outrageous punitive damages, public awareness and the systematic dismantling of the biggest joke of an agency in the 21st century. :mad:
     
  7. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Question - are punitive damages limited to assessment of monetary fines? Fining the TSA will likely see the cost passed on to the taxpayers; I'd rather see a court-mandated termination of the smurf-clerks responsible for Armato's treatment. And their FSD.
     
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  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Please post more than just a link. We shouldn't all have to go read the link to get the basic idea as to what it's about, although there is a LOT more interesting detail at the link than we can quote here.

    This is fabulous, I love it!

    They are finally going to realize from the point of view of financial liability what an utterly STUPID idea those plexiglass penalty boxes are, and how it's even DUMBER to allow a bunch of poorly trained bullies with two-digit IQs to lock people up in them.
     
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Maybe. I wrote about this when it happened last year and got a collective yawn.
     
  10. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    It was before its time. We've had a year of abuses, waste, and idiocy that have soured the people, rightly so, on TSA. The climate of public attitude is different now than it was last year. Granted, we have not converted 100% of the public, but those that are paying attention are much more on our side now than they used to be.
     
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  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    As I keep saying, I can only hope so. I haven't seen more people paying attention and getting on our side, either in my circle of acquaintances or on-line. But hope, as they say, springs, eternal.
     
  12. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    The way one usually gets to punitive damages is through tort claims -- as Stacy Armato is asserting. False imprisonment, false light, intentional infliction of emotional distress - all are state torts. And punitive damages can attach to each violation. So if the TSA is found liable on each claim, there could be some hefty fines. I didn't go look at the complaint, but she asserted federal torts as well - don't know if those are the counterparts to the state torts, or if there are others. And yeah, I think these fines would be passed on to us. :(

    I'm loving that she asserted false light - one of the privacy torts - it's not that common. It's a good one though. In this case she probably asserted it over being left in the plexibox cage (along with false imprisonment). She probably made the argument that by leaving her in this glassed in box for 40 min., anyone could see her in there and assume that she had done something wrong, or was a criminal of some sort, when in fact the TSA was just messing with her and trying to break her.

    As for the timing of the lawsuit.... I don't know either, but if I had to guess.... It probably took her awhile to find an attorney, and then once she did, it took time to build the complaint. These cases have routinely been dismissed for lack of jurisdiction, so I think she was careful to include both federal and state claims. Also, most tort actions require that you file within one year of the harm (statute of limitations), so she had to file before Feb.
     
  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Once again, the cold comfort of courts.

    This thing could drag on for years. And even if she wins, then what?
     
  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Sunny, what is "false light?"
     
  15. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Punitive damages can be huge. Huge.

    Repercussions? The glassed in boxes would go away, pronto. Every person who gets put into one of those things would be able to sue on the same grounds as she did, and win.

    Intentional infliction of emotional distress is another one -- it's hard to win though. But if she wins, just imagine the floodgates being opened. Think of the more outrages examples we've seen over the last year or so - people being required to remove prosthetic devices, the poor man who ended up covered in his own urine -- these could fall under IIED. Tough to win though, as I said.
     
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    But again, wouldn't it require that all those people who've had those things happen to them file suit? I couldn't afford to be involved in a long drawn-out lawsuit, and I'm lucky; hubby & and I make a good living. I can't imagine how other people can afford it.
     
  17. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Here's the wikipedia page on false light. It's essentially about impressions that are created by the defendant's actions. In Stacy Armato's case, it would be the impression that the TSA created about her when they put her into the glassed in box. People walking by might think that she was a criminal and was being arrested for something (she wasn't).

    It's related to defamation, as you can see in the wiki page.
     
  18. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    It probably would require individual suits. But all you really need is one win on something like this because now we would have a winning strategy. A few well-placed lawsuits brought by the ACLU or some other group, and we'd see changes in screenings faster than a TSA screener could say 'do you want fries with that?'
     
  19. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Thanks, Sunny.
     
  20. jdp23

    jdp23 Original Member

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