Lawsuit Stacy Armato

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Elizabeth Conley, Dec 16, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And I tried publicizing it last year. Though it pains me to link to the group blog where I used to write, because I gladly left, but c'est la vie. Here it is:
  2. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I hadn't seen that article.

    The best they could do was to have someone follow her around the screening area and make sure the screeners did their jobs correctly? :confused: I guess the tiny upside is that it was someone within the TSA ranks that made sure she was able to do the alternate screening.....
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    ? You mean instead of just denying her boarding?
  4. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    No, I was thinking about the TSA advocates - which I think sucks as an idea, but in this case the TSA person intervened. Of course, we don't know why they intervened - probably only because they knew a lawsuit would follow!
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, they were more or less forced to intervene by the cop. I don't see that the TSA did a single respectful, SOP, or even just common sense thing here. They harassed and bullied this woman and detained her. Then they harassed her some more for good measure. They deliberately waited until no one was in line, then closed down the entire checkpoint so no one could witness them abusing her. THEN they "lost" over 20 minutes of her video. I guess I'm not seeing this "tiny upside" you're talking about.
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  6. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I look for whatever positive thing I can find and then hold onto it. If I didn't, I'd just give up. The tiny upside was that in this one case, while everyone was watching, they did the right thing and didn't force her to x-ray her milk. I could just as easily see them doing the wrong thing just because they feel they can.
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Stacey wasn't detained. She was held hostage by a TSA Suit who didn't like have his AUTHOATORI challenged.
    You will see a TSA guy in a suit near the glass box almost the whole time. He should be in jail for hostage taking.
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  8. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    And that's how I feel every single time I'm subjected to a patdown for refusing to go through the radiation boxes.
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  9. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    That's how I'd feel too if I still flew. There's no way I'd go through the machines, so I know I'd be patted down every single time.

    I'm musing on whether or not one could make a reasonable false light claim based on the above situation.
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    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  11. RadioGirl

    RadioGirl Original Member

    "Guards". I like it. Not "officers" or "federal officers." Just "guards."
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  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Thanx. You've greatly added to my understanding.
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  13. NotaCriminal

    NotaCriminal Original Member

    Stacey Armato is an attorney herself. At the time of the original incident, I had read at least two interviews in which she stated she was not filing a lawsuit immediately because she was going to file her administrative claims first - i.e., go through the administrative process - in order to build the best possible case for herself, which I thoroughly agreed with at the time. When you don't get satisfaction at the administrative rules level, then you file your lawsuit. I'll try to go find the interviews in which she directly stated she was following the administrative process first, and the would proceed to a lawsuit. She was playing exactly by the rules and it makes her lawsuit a bit more interesting to me (as a paralegal) as she's already done the administrative process with no relief and has a reason to proceed to a "normal" lawsuit.

    Others go straight to lawsuit. That's fine, for some cases, but often in many other lawsuits in other regulated industries or agencies, your lawsuit gets kicked out because you didn't follow the administrative rules and its complaint/hearing processes first. As a paralegal in the insurance industry, I see this all the time - someone files a suit because they (and their attorney) failed to start at the administrative level by filing their complaint with the Department of Insurance first, and proceed through its hearing system, where they may have well received relief. You don't go to lawsuit in certain agencies/regulated industries until you've exhausted your administrative remedies. Stacey Armato had exhausted her administrative remedies and now she's onto the next phase - lawsuit!
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  14. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    This makes a lot of sense.

    And I think she was wise to bring in another attorney for the lawsuit --- get a little emotional distance from it. Her lawsuit is interesting to me too - I'm very interested in the tort claims. Fingers crossed that she prevails!!
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  15. NotaCriminal

    NotaCriminal Original Member

    I found one of the interviews in which I thought she'd mentioned proceeding through the administrative process first, at

    Go, Ms. Armato!
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  16. NotaCriminal

    NotaCriminal Original Member

    And the other source I thought mentioned the same thing, a story in an alumni newsletter:

  17. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I'm so glad to hear this. I'm glad she isn't backing down.
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