Stick figure ATR = one big lie?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I would need to see a lot more proof of this than an anonymous post. Such behavior would be foolhardy of the TSA. If they're doing this, it will be found out, and would cut the legs out from any remaining support for this criminal agency.
  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    As would I but given TSA's history of lies at every turn it does seem plausable.

    If TSA had been neat and clean on previous dealings with the public then we would have reason to not believe this story but that is not the case. Much of TSA's dishonesty revolves around the Strip Search Machines, quality of the images, claims of not being able to store images, no networking capability, and so forth, all TSA claims have been shown to be false.

    Still haven't heard back from Blogger Bob.:rolleyes:
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    And propagated by someone who grinds her axes as loud or louder than we.

    I agree, but at the same time I would not consider TSA above doing this. If they were honest and above-board, they would already be in compliance with the law and with the orders of the court, yet they aren't.
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  4. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I'm not on Facebook or Google+, but maybe someone who is could ask him to stop by TUG. How could "The baddest m*****f****** around" turn us down? ;):D
  5. Bungnoid

    Bungnoid Original Member

    I'd like to think so, but we know that they are OPENLY looking at naked images in the private booth where the backscatter x-ray scanners are in operation, and most people seem concerned not a whit about it.
  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    If they were honest and above-board, the TSA wouldn't exist...
  7. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I'm skeptical on this one. There were already ATR MMW scanners with the same avatar in Europe when TSA was using the peep booth. TSA delayed the use of this saying they wanted to confirm it worked.

    Unlike the pre-ATR MMW and current BKSX scanners that had an operator wearing a headset to communicate with the peeper, they no longer wear these on MMW. Unless they are using a feedback to the checkpoint display screen they wouldn't know when to let the pax pass.

    Besides, if it was a fake system, why not put it on the BKSX? They're taking the Rapi-Scans out at BOS and replacing with MMW, ostensibly to provide the privacy "benefit" so it doesn't seem to compute. They can waste money on other useless stuff so there isn't any advantage to TSA to do this if a relatively cheap fake system would address the need.
  8. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I will post it here for you guys, the MMW ATR has the one image produced, and that is the same image rendered right on the back of the machine. What the TSOs see, you are able to see. If the ATR alarms on something, it is presented as a yellow box on a generic stick figure/gingerbread man(woman) cutout image. There are no remote viewing booths with the MMW ATR, this person appears to be making false claims, or is seriously confused.
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Or he works at an airport where the local perverts have left the machines connected to the porno booth and the machines run continuously in diagnostic mode.

    I would agree that such a scenario is unlikely, but it is not impossible.
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Sure. Just like TSA employees "always" treat passengers with respect and courtesy.

    The devices were contractually obligated to have the ability to retain images and pass them over a network connection. I don't believe for a second that such a capability was ever really intended to be used only in "diagnostic mode."

    In fact, I'd bet that every image (or a good percentage of them) get sent to TrapWire.
  11. Bungnoid

    Bungnoid Original Member

    PDX is my home airport. The MMW scanners were installed in November 2011--after TSA had adopted ATR; the scanners were installed with ATR from the beginning, so there should not even BE a porno booth at PDX.
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The porno "booth" could be someone's office or cubicle. The minimum you need at the other end is the equipment to receive and display the image -- "booth" is optional.
  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I agree with Saul. It would be a very big deal if the TSA dared to carry out such a deception. Too big a deal to be believed with no other evidence other than an anonymous post on the internet. However, it does speak volumes about the way TSA has broken trust with us that we would even consider believing this.
  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Well, he was a TSA employee, should not be surprised that truth is a foreign concept.

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