Subcommittee Hearing: Rightsizing TSA Bureaucracy and Workforce Without Compromising Security

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Did I say that? If you're putting words into my mouth, then there's no point in discussing further.

    Simply put, asking a majority of passengers, who only want to get home, to walk out and walk a few minutes to the next stop, is not a realistic means to fight back.
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    As I have said more times than I can count, there are many ways to fight, not just one. There are many ways to resist, not just one. There are many ways to protest, not just one. I've even enumerated them here at TUG, multiple times. I'm sure I didn't get them all; I'm sure other people can come up with other ones I haven't thought of.
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    You mean, what happens if you've used hand lotion today?
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  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Quite simple -- the checkpoints would end if that actually happened.
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  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So the use of hand lotion of give rise to probable cause to search the person and his/her possessions? I'd love to see that end up in court. That could force them to put an end to some of this stupidity and use equipment that actually tests for traces of real explosives.
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  6. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    As it is, a mere 500 bags, at best, are searched at these checkpoints, out of over a million daily T riders.

    Suppose half of the chosen passengers declined and walked out: why would the checkpoint end? What's the metric of "success"?

    Anyway, again, it's a silly consideration, as it's not going to happen.
  7. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    The only way I could envision it going to court if something happened as in the Hartwell case: that is, during the physical search, drugs are found and the passenger is arrested.
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Yes, I am well aware of that but why not just leave and go to the next entrance? No need to respond, as I know the answer.
  9. saulblum

    saulblum Original Member

    Doober! Don't give the terrorists any ideas! They're supposed to think that the entire subway has just one entrance through which all passengers must be funneled!


    Besides, most stations, such as this one, only have one entrance, and the next station is a ten-minute walk away.

    Someone intent on doing harm would merely board at one of the stations that does have multiple entrances, or at a surface stop that will never see a checkpoint.

    These dragnets would only catch the stupid bomber who has not put even five minutes of thought into an attack. Of course, such an attacker probably wouldn't even choose to use the subway to detonate his bomb.
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The testimony that wasn't ...

    Forbes: How To Fix The TSA

  11. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Bruce should be ashamed. He's having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. :D

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