Surprise surprise, coordinated OWS shutdowns coordinated by DHS

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by lkkinetic, Nov 16, 2011.

  1. lkkinetic

    lkkinetic Original Member

    Yes, my friends, here's the police state that all of the nay-sayers who think we're hysterical say does not actually exist. According to this Wonkette article citing this Examiner article and this AP article, they combine to show evidence that the coordinated "local police" crackdown on OWS protestors around the country yesterday had the Department of Homeland Security as the puppeteer in the authoritarian peep show.

    While I don't agree with all of the OWS positions and practices, I certainly share their outrage (although I'd direct it at the U.S. Capitol and K Street before I'd direct it at Wall Street, but they are co-dependent crony corporatists all).

    I've had enough of the authoritarian state that has metastasized disgustingly into the body of our civil republic.
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, I sent the Examiner article to my mailing list yesterday and the Wonkette entry this morning. I also note that the NYPD used the "non-lethal" but vicious sonic wave weapon, which was also used in Pittsburgh in 2009. We've discussed this horrible weapon at TUG before. The fact that the powers-that-be are willing to use this thing in such densely populated areas is, if no longer surprising, still disturbing.

    It means they're willing to injure loads of people who are not only non-violent, but also many more who are merely bystanders.

    By the way, lkkinetic, the occupations in DC -- two of them, in two different places, are targeting Congress, the White House, K Street, etc.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    From the Guardian:

  4. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Fortunately, LRAD can be defeated by wearing ear protection. Not the first thing people think of when going to protest, but the more they use this thing, the more people will become aware of it.
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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Is there actually effective ear protection against this? What kind? Noise-canceling headphones? Are they enough? Certainly ordinary earplugs aren't going to do the trick.

    (And for passersby, non-protesters, who are caught up in the LRAD zone, they can't be expected to have handy ear protection anymore than they can gas masks.)
  6. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    This whole thing from grope downs at the airport to beat downs on the street is starting to make me angry. Our government is slipping out of our control fast.
  7. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Notice how these crushings are in states with very restrictive gun laws, it really makes one wonder. I know the city of Dallas has been dancing on egg shells on this as couple of the people supporting OD are known 2nd amendment advocates, CHL holders and one is a firearms instructor. Them going in like they did in NY bound to have shots ring out in very short order.

    Then again I have no doubt that DHS & Nappy are behind this, they just wont admit it in public because they know the backlash would be political suicide.
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Chanted in the rhythm of the Occupiers: "Tell me what a police state looks like! This is what a police state looks like."
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The Feds have already admitted they coordinated the attacks on the occupations. The FBI, DHS, who-knows-what-other "intelligence" agencies, coordinated with the Council of Mayors. This was reported the day before yesterday and has been confirmed since then.

    I do want to point out that, so far, the occupations in DC -- the one at McPherson Square, which I'm not part of, and the one at Freedom Plaza, which I am -- have not been shut down. Yes, I think we're living on borrowed time, and we know that. But we at FP have had very good relations with the cops so far -- probably for several reasons: people on the Steering Committee have worked with the Park Police before, there's mutual respect; our encampment is spic'n'span-clean and 100% non-violent; Washington, DC has had many lawsuits over the years where it got slapped with huge settlements because of police brutality, so they're much more careful now.

    The cops have told us that sooner or later, they will evict us, but that they'll leaflet the encampment first and give us plenty of notice. That way, those who want to stay and risk arrest can do so; those who don't will have plenty of time to pack up their gear and go.

    Other than that, I'm not a gun advocate and just want to put that out there for clarity.
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  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    What is the goal of this movement?
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    End corporate rule.

    There are dozens of other goals, and they're all interrelated and subsumed under that. For example, as we've discussed at TUG many times, a few people are making an awful lot of money on the security boondoggle. Government and corporations are working in tandem for the benefit of themselves and the detriment of the rest of us.

    If you want to see more specific, detailed discussions, take a look at our site -- there's enough there to keep you, er, occupied for months -- but you can scroll down a little on the home page to "We Stand with the Majority of Americans" for a snapshot:
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  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Exactly what is corporate rule?
  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Corporations run the government. I would say, in fact, that corporations are the government.
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  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    No offense intended but the way these different groups come across on the evening news is a poorly organized mob that has no idea what or why they are there.

    I would say the movement has lost the PR initiative.
  15. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    if shots "ring out" from the OWS folks, then the OWS people can expect the same treatment as the folks in Waco. They're pretty much getting it now anyway. The authorities are going to come down with a hammer on any type of organized opposition like this.
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I think just the opposite is happening. I see them gaining support. And with every heavy-handed crackdown by the powers-that-be, every baton shoved into a protestor's stomach, every 84-year-old woman (or anybody else) pepper sprayed, every journalist prevented from recording and then arrested, the movement will only grow stronger.
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  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    From a person who has not really paid much attention to this I have to say that your message is not getting out. The average person I suspect is in my camp of disinterest.

    I'm not against the movement but your message is being lost.
  18. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I'm kinda-sorta with BD here. I agree that corporate power has gotten way out of control and I sympathize with OWS having had enough of companies buying government. However, the one and only problem I have with it is that it's not always immediately evident what OWS or any other "Occupy" movement is about. Personally I don't mind doing my homework and reading into different sides of an argument, but as we've seen with regard to TSA, the general public wants their issues spoon-fed to them in forms they can understand.

    What OWS needs is a cohesive message and better PR. Being able to concisely (and consistently) summarize the goals of the movement and give the general public that spoon-feeding will help solidify people to the Occupy cause as well as clarify your grievances against abusive corporate interests to those abusive corporate interests.
  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Again, see above link to for short, concise statement of goals.

    As for public support, all latest polls indicate increasing and often majority support for the occupy movement. As ever, methodology can be questioned.

    Regardless, here are a few tidbits from recent days on a variety of related topics for those who want to read a little more about it (heaven only knows what the fonts are going to look like!):

    First, Salon reports that apparently DHS wasn't involved in nationwide coordination of attacks, except in Portland. FWIW:

    Chris Hedges, former war correspondent (for 20 years), Pulitzer Prize winner, divinity scholar (no kidding), and all-around poet:

    Mayor of Lansing, Michigan welcomes occupy protesters with open arms
    Journalists roughed up and arrested

    Real time updates from New York, with livestreaming (including nifty actions like arrest of person in wheelchair, arrest of retired Philadelphia police captain, more violence against protesters and journalists, etc.)
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  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

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