Suspension of six-year-old reversed

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by KrazyKat, Jan 5, 2013.

  1. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    they rescinded it because of the lawyer the family retained. Not because they learned something.

    People this clueless are the ones teaching your kids. Think about that.
     
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  3. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    If there's time for teaching after the watching and judging.

    Apparently the child was made to name all of his video games and questioned about whether his family owned any firearms, without his parents present. http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/gun-gesture-year-suspended-18124223
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I don't know how these modern education weenies would have coped with my generation.

    Most families spent one evening a week watching movies, mostly of World War II vintage, at a PX facility called the Element and later in the auditorium of the new American school after it opened. I have only a vague recollection of these, mostly a continuum of machine gun fire and devastating artillery.

    I started first grade in the old school, a former German prison camp with pill boxes still in the yard and dog cages in the basement.

    Our fathers, as later learned, had lived this stuff.

    One boy was named after an ace who would have been the top ace in the European theater, if he hadn't been accidentally shot down by allied ground fire. His father, an ace in the same unit, was later a test pilot who died in a P-80 crash i the early 50's. His stepfather (not enough kills to achieve ace status) was a fighter pilot in another unit.

    The father of another student later became known as the "Father of Air Rescue".

    Stateside at bases there were often "fire barrels" outside the exchanges. These were where you left your weapons, not your cigarette stubs, while you were inside.

    Etc.

    Today educators are intent on indoctrinating a generating of weenies unaware of either our roots or the real world out there.
     
  5. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Educators unable to understand play. No cowboys and indians indigenous-peoples-who-are-closer-to-the-earth, for you!
     
  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Exactly, the school learned ZERO, no adjustment to their behavior.
    Loved that the mother said she hopes other parents see “there are actions you can take.”^
     
  7. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    This wouldn't settle the lawsuit if I were the parent. Question my kid without me present? Boundary violations? I'm just getting warmed up. If they think they're going to moot the lawsuit by reversion the suspension, they've got another think coming.
     
  8. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Here is another case. PA family retained the same lawyer:
    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/01/girl_5_in_trouble_over_bubble.html#incart_river
     
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    With a school district named "Mount Carmel", what do you expect? Today's bubble-gum-gun girl could be tomorrow's reincarnated David Koresh (who was mostly innocent, not that it matters when ATF is coming up short on good press and needs to stage something).
     
  10. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Far as I'm concerned he was completely innocent. When the NRA offers to pay for independent analysis of the "illegal automatic firearms" that were "recovered" from the Branch Davidians and Jackboot Janet refused, that told me right off that the charges were false. This ain't my first rodeo.
     
  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Do you remember what the feds pulled at night, all the psyops with lights, sound, noise, loud music, just as they do against external enemies? And this to US citizens. That was decades ago, and things have only gotten worse. That is why there is no doubt in my mind about what they are going to do with the drones, including arming them and using them in this country.
     
  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Not to argue what Koresh might have faced today, but schools calling behavior "terrorism"? This is the "weapon" the five-year-old talked about, and didn't even use:
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  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Boy, that looks awesome. I'll bet that six year old really could have killed something with that. Too bad they let her off the hook.

    However, they've nabbed another monster:

    Fifth-grader reprimanded for bringing paper “gun” to school


    A Philadelphia mother thinks school administrators went too far when her fifth grade daughter brought a paper "gun" to class. Dianna Kelly spoke with FOX 29 about the school's reaction. According to Kelly, her daughter Melody Valentin, was given a paper gun by her grandfather. The "gun" was a sheet of paper torn and folded to look like a pistol. When another student saw the "gun," which Melody had thrown in the trash can, the boy alerted the teacher. Kelly says that one teacher went over the top when reprimanding Melody. "He yelled at me and said I shouldn't have brought the gun to school and I kept telling him it was a paper gun but he wouldn't listen," Melody said ...
     
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  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Sounds like the indoctrination is being done at an early age. Why would a classmate alert the teacher unless they had not already been indoctrinated? I can certainly see the movement behind home schooling with crap like this going on.
     
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  15. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Not new. I remember when a school in Annapolis MD suspended a kid for drawing a picture of his US Army Ranger uncle, complete with M-16. Mother complained about it on TV, so the principal said "(expletive deleted) you, bitch! Your crotchspawn is expelled! Come see me next year with an attitude adjustment and I might let him back in."

    Been waiting for some overeducated asswipe to suspend a kid for using a Massachusetts quarter to pay for his milk.
     
  16. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Are the Second Amendment groups tracking this pattern of events?
    Parent or civil liberty groups?

    These stories all seem to involve:
    1) indoctrination (as RB points out), of teachers and kids
    2) words & pictures weirdly misconstrued as actual threats, punishing pre- or thought-crime as though real
    3) interrogations without guardians present, including questions about family weapons, games
    4) immediate and extreme punishment, citing "terrorism"
    5) a sync between law enforcement and schools
    6) obliviousness as to the age of the child, play, or any relationship to forming an intent to real harm

    Is there some massive DHS program in the schools? It seems like it must have started before December 14.
     
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    When I was a kid we played cops and robbers or cowboys and indians. We played games where contact with each other happened. We played games where there were winners and losers. We got our feelings hurt and had fights with each other. We still knew right from wrong. I think the absence of those things impair kids today and they don't learn how to judge things properly as they age.

    And I will stand up and say it from the highest mountain top, it is the progressives that are destroying our country and way of life.
     
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  18. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I completely agree. Americans are becoming a nation of socially handicapped individuals who lack the ability to get along with peers, stay married, raise kids and enjoy healthy family relationships and lasting friendships. Every misunderstanding is overblown, adults act as only children used to, and many progressives are so lacking in self discipline that it's easy to see why they fear guns. They have no self control when they are angry, and lash out without thinking about whether aggression is their best course of action. It would be a bitter pill for these fearful gun-grabbers if they ever came to terms with how much more self-control most adults have than they do. For that matter, most well-brought up children have better interpersonal skills and greater self-control.

    The kinds of games you played as a boy have been normal for male children in most if not all human cultures. This current fad of treating normal boyhood as if it were a disease is going to end poorly. We're going to have generation after generation of increasingly neurotic, histrionic adults until common sense prevails again.
     
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  19. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Nice list of these stories on InfoWars: http://www.infowars.com/school-will...year-old-girls-bubble-gun-terroristic-threat/
    Speaking as a socially handicapped individual and recovering progressive, I'm guessing most people who support gun control think suspending young children for paper, bubble, or otherwise nonexistent firearms and labelling them "terrorists" is plain nuts.
    This is a major lurch, even for the nanny-state. Best not to gloss over it as simply more of the same.
     
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  20. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Agreed, I played many of the same games (including a fairly uneasy discussion with my mother at age 6-7 about her makeup and boys wearing it that was resolved by disclosing it was my turn to be an Indian and they all wore warpaint). We also had fisticuffs and such from time ot time, that was all a part of learning the right from wrong ways of dealing with problems. Many of the stories I see are about how boys are not supposed to be boys anymore, that rough-housing and competing with each other on every little thing is wrong now. That competition is what drives people to further themselves, invent new things, aspire to create the next new products or processes, play football well enough to go to the NFL, etc. I am all for being in touch with emotions, but not all people are wired to think about things like the mainstream idea of a perfect person. Sometimes playing games like Cowboys and Indians gave our parents a chance to teach us some history along the way, like my father did (explaining how Indians were not bad in general and that they were simply on a different side of the expansion of the "white man" in the New world). Now if we let our kids be kids, we are criticized for not being more humanistic. If we let kids compete at an early age, we are teaching them aggression, as opposed to teaching them the fundamentals of competition and how someone better at something can rise to the top of that profession. If we teach kids a good work ethic at an early age, we are depriving them of their game time, and forcing them to learn subjects that they "shouldn't worry about until they graduate high school" - which is crap, I have had a job of some sort since I was 6 years old, whether it was mowing lawns/yard work or working at a grocery store when I got a workers permit at 14. All of this ties into the indoctrination of our children on a mass scale. My daughter is 21, and she is just now figuring out that the 2nd Amendment means that everyone should be able to have a gun if they choose (despite my teaching her this her whole life, it is just now hitting home). As a country, we are teaching too much poo-litical correctness and not enough historical perspective, we are collectively forgetting the basics of our history, by forcing the teaching programs to veer away from the hard facts and into the touchy feely stuff.

    Progressives are right on some subjects, just like liberals are right on some, and conservatives are right on some, but right now, the educational systems are doing our children (and by extension our future) a grave disservice at this point.
     

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