T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

Discussion in 'Railways, Highways, Waterways' started by CelticWhisper, Aug 6, 2013.

  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member


    No, no, no, no, NO. This is exactly what We The People DO NOT WANT. I'm finding it harder and harder to not feel extremely anxious about my upcoming vacation. Does anyone else remember when vacations were something to look forward to and not dread?

    Fortunately, a liberty-minded Rep from NJ has a solution in mind. I should probably create a separate thread for the details of it, but in the meantime, check out H.R.2589. Write your legis-leeches and demand support for it.
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Boston Business Journal: TSA asserts mandate to stop-and-search, almost anywhere (Aug 6 2013)

    How would you feel about being stopped and searched by the TSA – at a football game?

    The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has quietly expanded its operations beyond airports, and is now running security screens in "sporting events, music festivals, rodeos, highway weigh stations and train terminals," The New York Times' Ron Nixon reports.

    The teams of roving TSA officers are called Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response squads – VIPR for short.

    "Our mandate is to provide security and counterterrorism operations for all high-risk transportation targets, not just airports and aviation,” TSA administrator John Pistole told the Times. “The VIPR teams are a big part of that.”

    The TSA asserts searches without probable cause are justified in these settings, because they further counterterrorism efforts.
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    VIPR teams are armed LEO's. I would hope probable cause would be required.
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Great photo at the top of the article showing two standard-issue TSA slouches in uniform sitting on bench smoking cigarettes & yacking on their cell phones ...

    Death & Taxes: TSA so awesome at their jobs they’re expanding beyond airports (Aug 6 2013)

    Good news, everyone: the pat-downs and invasive probing we get to enjoy at the airport will become part of the joy of our daily lives as the TSA is expanding beyond airports to “sporting events, music festivals, rodeos, highway weigh stations and train terminals,” reports the New York Times.

    The TSA is expanding a new program in which teams of uniformed Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response squads (VIPR for short) will make random security sweeps in crowded places and search suspicious-looking people.

    What could go wrong? After all, this is the agency we’re talking about that a new government report found had 1 violation for every 5 employees over the last three years—violations that included stealing from people, sleeping on the job and giving preferential treatment to friends and family.

    “The problem with T.S.A. stopping and searching people in public places outside the airport is that there are no real legal standards, or probable cause,” NY Times quotes Khaliah Barnes, administrative law counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center. “It’s something that is easily abused because the reason that they are conducting the stops is shrouded in secrecy.”
  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    There is a legal standard. It's called the Fourth amendment to the United States Constitution.
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  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Say it loud and proud, JP.
    Tell every American that, because they are terrorist suspects, you can search their bodies wherever you please.
  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    "high-risk transportation targets"

    So what about football games, rodeos and music festivals make them into a "high-risk transportation target"?
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I miss being in Garrett's district by about half a mile. :( Sadly, I'm stuck with Leonard Lance, a real woos and wimp.
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Well, most cancers spread and TSA is no exception.
  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    RB hits this on the head. Why would the government respect some new federal law, even if it did pass, when they don't respect the black and white and exceedingly clear prohibitions of the 4th amendment? They have a captive kangaroo court (US "supreme" court) that has allowed the federal government to ignore the very document that legitimizes not only the government but the court itself. We are being governed by a runaway, uncontrollable, and dictatorial mob in Washington, answerable not to Law, but only to those who pay influence money.

    The Dodd-Frank bill specifically limited certain Wall Street behaviors and has been systematically ignored by Wall Street and their captive federal regulators whenever it restricted their efforts to gain profits.

    New laws are entirely useless when you have a government not bound by ANY law.
  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Which is why I beleive that Texas should fly one flag.
  12. JoeBas

    JoeBas Original Member

    Please, RB. Our state legisworms are no better than the federal legisworms when it comes to this kind of (expletive deleted).
  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Yes, but we would have fewer to deal with.
  14. JoeBas

    JoeBas Original Member

    But they would be even more undealablewith. They've got this state so rigged it's not even funny.
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    A march to Washington on the Brazos isn't a new concept.
  16. JoeBas

    JoeBas Original Member

    Indeed not. But I get the feeling that neither Governor Goodhair nor his Hair Apparent would have any problem leveraging the much greater disparity between citizenry and government available force than there was in 1836.
  17. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    And you could implement the Court of Political Justice to take care of the ones who don't see reason (see sig).

    Actually, the court deals with the ones who deal with the ones who don't see reason, but you get the point.
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Just the last 3 paragraphs of a long & good editorial:

    Sentinel Source: In the name of security, a culture of fear (Aug 9 2013)


    The agency believes that its mission to prevent terrorism trumps the Fourth Amendment’s requirement that searches be reasonable and linked to probable cause. Courts have ruled that when it comes to air travel, given a plane’s vulnerability, that’s true. But where are the limits? Is it reasonable to allow federal agents to refuse to allow people to take a train home from work if they decline to allow a search of their briefcase or purse? We don’t believe so.

    Something more than money will be lost if the TSA’s expansionism isn’t thwarted. Gone will be the freedom to come and go unmonitored and unharassed. This week, writing in The Wall Street Journal, journalist Ted Koppel warned of the cost of government’s growing mania for security. “We have created an economy of fear, an industry of fear, a national psychology of fear. Al-Qaida could never have achieved that on its own. We have inflicted it on ourselves.”

    We have, and now we must turn back before a common greeting becomes, “Your papers please.”
  19. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    And another one -- folks in the heartlands don't like what's evolving:

    Lebanon Daily News: Talk should be on eliminating, not expanding, TSA (Aug 12 2013)


    But wait, as they say on infomercials, there's more. It's the government. There always is.

    An increasing number of roving TSA teams.

    in recent years has been quietly expanding the agency's reach with patrols of train terminals, highway weigh stations and other venues.

    We want nothing to do with any of that.


    We cannot accept an expansive TSA that routinely conducts unexplained security stops in public places. There must be clear-eyed, rational politicians who recognize, finally, that we took a bad hit a dozen years ago; we reacted poorly to it and did things well out of our established character.

    It's time to put that - and perhaps the entire TSA - behind us. Either that, or practice handing over your "papers" when you're out walking your dog, riding the bus or hopping on a train.
  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: Festering TSA: The airport security force expands its reach (Aug 16 2013)

    American taxpayers will be less than delighted to learn that the Transportation Security Administration -- the TSA beloved of airport "stop and frisk" -- is expanding its activities.

    In the meantime, the TSA has moved to institutionalize itself. Its employees unionized last year, as part of the powerful American Federation of Government Employees Union. That move makes the TSA more difficult not only to eliminate, but even to trim. Its role in maintaining "national security" also gives it strength to elude cuts in its $8 billion budget.

    Another move by the TSA to dig in deeper is the establishment of its Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response squads. The New York Times reported last week that the armed, uniformed and armor-wearing VIPR teams comb high-traffic places like Union Station in Washington, D.C., and the Metro rail line in Minneapolis, Minn. VIPR squads can also be found at music festivals, sporting events, road weighing stations, shopping malls and rodeos. The TSA's annual budget for VIPR alone is $100 million.


    Just how much of this does the taxpayer have to tolerate?

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