Tasers can kill

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Doober, May 1, 2012.

  1. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/h...shot-to-the-chest-can-kill-a-study-warns.html

    Suppose any LE organizations will take note?
     
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So if someone develops sufficient expertise in an area to testify as an expert witness, any further research that he might do is now tainted as "biased" :rolleyes:

    Yet we're supposed to accept the word from a non-peer-reviewed & non-medical source run by the U.S. Dept. of Justice, the same outfit that brings us Eric Holder, Mexican gun runners and the FBI's notorious farce of a crime lab?
     
  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I know it sounds mean, but I like the training programs that involve cops actually experiencing a taser jolt themselves. Such programs are citizens' best defense against wanton taser abuse. I think LE will take note when people who write training curriculum are forbidden from using this practice due to protests from insurance underwriters.

    As a perfectly healthy person with an intermittent heart murmur, I know I'd avoid a taser jolt. My very healthy husband suffered atrial fibrillation in early adulthood. He'd probably take a pass as well. Some things just aren't healthy. I'd put taser jolts on that list. How many undiagnosed heart conditions exist in supposedly healthy populations of police trainees? It's hard to say. I wouldn't be willing to put that question to the test if I were calling the shots.

    I really don't understand the mentality of someone who'd casually deliver a taser jolt to another living thing. It seems a bit sick. My daughter and I are doing dissections for her Biology studies this year. We find it very, very unpleasant. Some of the experiments are pretty disturbing too. On the very first day we were supposed to press a live worm between two plates of glass until we could observe the beating of the creature's heart. We both voted "no thanks." We took it on faith that their hearts beat. Unnecessary cruelty is disgusting.
     
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  4. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I'm sorry doc but your so full of shut your eyes are turning brown. Between this and TI using "excited delerium" as a cause of death from taser use. I hate those devices with a passion. If I had a dollar for every prong I've removed due to a teaser happy pig I could have retired many times over now.
     
  5. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Elisabeth - it's very easy take a look at the average cop... It's easy easy out because of a lack of people/deescalation skills. Sound thinking though with a a past med history like that.

    If you think tasing in general is bad how about a taser to the throat, neck, chest ... Testicles and unprovoked. I hate tazers with a passion.
     
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If I am not mistaken the tasers used in training are a much lower power than the ones officers deploy.
     
  7. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Boogie doggie - nope same juice level it's not stepped down for training.
     
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  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    When I talk to emergency room personnel about police, I get a real earful. Middle age matron ladies with nursing degrees experience a visceral loathing for police who boast about beating and maiming arrestees. These ladies talk too, and what they say is taken seriously. These thugs need to think about who is listening when they brag about their crimes.
     
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  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Interesting -- maybe these should be a new group of mandatory reporters?
     
  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I can't remember which city this happened in, but last month a police officer was accused of doing some really gross illegal searches on the street. As least one of the alleged victims sought treatment for trauma to his rectum, and the emergency room physician reported the incident, just as you might reasonably expect. There's been a bit of corroboration of this alleged victim's story, in that other men have come forward since the story was first reported. It's gross, it's depraved, but it might just get handled appropriately, all because one of the alleged victims sought medical treatment.
     
  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    any kind of significant physical damage of someone in physical custody has to be treated by someone, and usually at some hospital. Elizabeth has a great idea for someone looking to file a class action lawsuit. My cousin, who was beaten to death in a Medford, OR jail, was taken to a local hospital, and it wasn't the first case of this that the hospital had gotten from that jail. That did figure in the lawsuit.
     
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Wow. Think you can dig that story up? There was a similar thing here in Baltimore a few years ago, where this s.o.b. cop did that to a man right on the street in front of everybody. Horrible. And you know this is going on more often but we're just not finding out about it. Just like the assaults at the airport. Lots of people don't want to come forward and have their name out there associated with a horrible thing that was done to them, even though it's obviously not their fault. Because there are so many jackasses in the world who will blame them and further abuse them.

    This is not that Balto story but another one, more recent:
    http://www.foxbaltimore.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wbff_vid_13171.shtml

    Another account of same story:
    http://www.baltimorebrew.com/2012/04/17/more-police-settlements-to-cost-taxpayers-270000/

    And I'm gonna say it again: these kinds of abuses have routinely been perpetrated on the poor, the weak, the disadvantaged, minorities, for decades. And it's only now that similar abuses are being visited on the heretofore clueless middle- and upper-middle classes (e.g, airports, Occupy protests) that people are waking up.
     
  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh, god, here's one where the perp was found not guilty:
    Sheriff's Deputy Not Liable in Maryland Stun Gun Death, Jury Says
     
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Sunny Goth could weigh in on this one, but it sure seems to me that since the lethality of Tasers is becoming recognized, it will become harder and harder to call the use of these
    devices "reasonable force" in anything but a last resort case.
     
  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    But they can always just claim it was a last resort. That seems to be what they're doing now. "I had to, Your Honor, because I couldn't see his hands and he could've had a gun and it was my last resort."
     
  16. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The cops are in a bind here. What do you do in a failure to cooperate? Accepting that this was a factor in this case. Baton.s can kill too.
     
  17. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Should be. But the pigs will guarantee that there won't be.
     
  18. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Here it is:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=177_1332839679

    It's really gross. You just can't wrap your head around the acts allegedly committed here. It's just too disgusting.

    Yet I am forced to the conclusion that if these "officers" did indeed to what they're acused of doing, then it was for personal pleasure, personal enjoyment and personal gain. Otherwise, what's the point to sexual assault and theft? There are some disgusting details given here that point to a fetish of a particularly revolting sort.
     
  19. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    It's not mandatory but I make a report in the chart and to authorities if I suspect abuse. If it's police I suspect I send it to the Texas Rangers or Higher. I know there are cops that hate me for doing that but wouldn't have been needed if they didn't start in the first place.

    Lisa - sad but true, another sign of a shitty cop with no people skills.
     

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