Teen Blames TSA For Broken Insulin Pump

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, May 8, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Mumbo jumbo time ... queue up the spokeshole!

    ABC 4: TSA answers screening accusations and ABC 4 viewer questions

  2. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Okay "Ann Davis" look how well all this "training" is working out...in the field.
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  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    "Ann Davis" fails to mention that they're wasting all of this "training" on the untrainable. If they were capable of learning anything, they wouldn't be working for the TSA in the first place.
  4. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    I'm doubtful her insulin pump was actually damaged by the MMW scanner. I googled it and I've been searching for the past hour and I have yet to find anything that says the pump was actually damaged/broken(other than the headlines). The manufacturer cannot guarantee the pump isn't damaged so they told her to remove it just in case; this isn't the same as the pump stopped working so they told her to remove it and she had to get a new one. And if MMW scanners could actually damage these pumps, there ought to be a helluva lot more articles about all the broken insulin pumps for the past few years. I did a search for tsa and insulin pumps and at best all I can find is that the manufacturers cannot guarantee that the pump won't be damaged by scanners so they don't recommend that you go through them rather than actual cases of broken insulin pumps. I'll also point out that the plexiglass on the MMW scanner isn't going to shield anyone(or their insulin pump) from the radio waves, so if the radio waves actually harm the pumps, then opting out would be irrelevant. This is anecdotal, but one of my co-workers wears a pump as well, and considering how much he's around the equipment(x-rays and body scanners), it's amazing his pump continues to work no problem. It just doesn't add up.

    I also find it fishy that the story went from "I usually get an opt out, what do you recommend?" to "I asked to opt-out but then I was forced to go through the scanner".

    Some articles say she was forced to go through the metal detector, indicative of the media's inaccuracy.

    Also where she said the TSA panicked over the juice seems like a bit of an embellishment. It's not like juice never comes through the checkpoints. And there's different equipment to deal with the testing of exempt liquids, obviously this airport doesn't have the one where you scan the bottle/container without opening it so they had to do a patdown. I don't get how that's "panic", but whatever.

    I'm waiting to find out more, if there's anything else forthcoming, but I'm remaining skeptical on this one.
  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Did TSA test the two types of Strip Search Machines for human safety or the ability to damage various electronics like an insulin pump before deploying these devices?

    If TSA did not do complete testing then TSA doesn't know what the Strip Search Machines do to the human body or any other device carried into the machine.
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  6. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    In that case, OMG they totally (expletive deleted) her insulin pump! rar! Fire them all!
  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    More appropriately, did the TSA provide access to real scanners for the manufacturers of these devices to test with?

    Certifying consumer electronics (which don't kill people if the device stops working) is a very different proposition than certifying medical devices.

    I see no indication that the device was actually damaged, but a request from the manufacturer to STOP TRUSTING IT because some blue-shirted dolt thought they were smarter than an entire company filled with doctors and researchers. And I don't blame the company at all for asking her to stop using it and get a new one at no charge, because no company not given a free pass by the Feds (SAFETY Act) to experiment on the American public wants to be the next Therac-25.
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  8. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    No need to reach, there.

    They're all stupid enough, unmotivated enough, or evil enough to work for the TSA in the first place. More than enough reason there to fire them without digging into the insulin pump case.
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    You dodged the question asking if TSA did full testing of the Strip Search Machines.

    Ok by me. We don't need government employees doing airport security screening, that is the responsiblity of the owners of the property.
  10. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    I thought you were being rhetorical to make the point that since no one's ever tested the body scanner(not even the manufacturer apparently), that you never know what might happen and that the MMW scanner could've broken the pump.

    Were you actually asking me if TSA tested the scanners prior to use? If so the answer is yes. Sorry for dodging your non-rhetorical question.
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    That's a lie.
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  12. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    I agree. I think the company is prudent to recommend that their pumps not be taken through the scanners so that they can cover their (expletive deleted), since they can't do their own testing on them. I've also heard that the warranty gets voided if you don't follow their recommendations.

    I would not confuse their CYA approach with what the headlines are stating.
  13. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    If by "lie" you mean "not a lie", then ok.
  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Agreed. I don't think the TSA broke the hardware.

    I think that the TSA, in their appalling ignorance and astounding arrogance, coerced a young woman into decertifying her insulin pump because TSA employees believe they're smarter than doctors, researchers, and medical engineers. Or they're just too stupid and too lazy to bother absorbing all of the "training" touted by the douchenozzles the TSA employs to speak to the media.
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  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    No, I mean that anyone who makes the claim that the TSA has performed actual legitimate safety testing on the backscatter scanners is a lying (expletive deleted).
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  16. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    I don't think she was coerced if she asked for their recommendation.
  17. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    (expletive deleted). Johns Hopkins, the NIST, and EPIC have all put the lie to that, numerous times.


    TSA News Blog: TSA to Spend Money on Radiation Dosimeters

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  18. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    Well I'm referring to the MMW scanner, and I'm not lying. You could make the case that I've been fed false information since I haven't actually seen the testing done to the scanners prior to use, but in order for me to lie about it I'd have to either know there was no testing, or not been told of any testing, and then claim their was.

    In any case it's irrelevant to the points I made in my first post. If there haven't been any testing by the TSA or manufacturer regarding medical devices or other electronic, then the past few years of scanner usage has essentially been a live beta. There should be a lot more accounts of broken insulin pumps, but there isn't.
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Was the TSA employee in question incapable of reading, too lazy to read, or just so arrogant that they believed their judgment overrode that of an actual physician?
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  20. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    From your first link: " In 2010, EPIC filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit asking a court to force the Department of Homeland Security to disclose documents about radiation testing results and agency fact sheets on radiation risks." So if there was no testing, and I'm lying, what documents are they asking for?

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