Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, May 8, 2012.
Then you would be wrong, simply wrong. SOP for TSA.
TSA is so out of date that they don't even address the Strip Searh Machines on the official TSA Website. So don't look to TSA for any answers.
This is truly shocking to me, and it isn't the first time I've heard a story like it. I read one story a couple months ago (maybe in a FT thread) in which a screener actually told a man "your doctor is an idiot" when he said his doctor told him not to go through the scanner for some medical reason. Dispensing medical advice without a license is a serious crime, is it not? If this sixteen year old encountered that sort of attitude, it doesn't surprise me that she capitulated. It takes a good deal of maturity to stand up to such criminal arrogance.
Thing these goons don't realize is that in the medical community, erring on the side of caution is the rule of thumb in these sorts of situations. Pregnant women, for example, are warned off of most drugs and herbs unless they have been specifically demonstrated to be safe. There are plenty of things that pregnant women could probably take just fine that they are warned against because there have been no tests. And pregnant women generally don't get dental x-rays, even though it probably wouldn't hurt (my dentist once told me). And yet, pregnant women are urged into the scanners, even though there has been NO testing on that specific population (if there was, we would certainly know about it). ETA -- I say all this as someone with no medical or scientific background, but as a twice pregnant woman who self-educated.
Coming from an "employment" pool of idiots who in general haven't the foggiest notion of what "cross-contamination," "sampling rigor," and "scientific theory" mean, I'm wholly unsurprised.
Look, I'm lost in the evasive twists and turns of this conversation, but you really need to stop yourself from offering medical advice. Even if you don't think she'll have a problem, even if you know a guy with an insulin pump who hasn't had a problem with it, the truth is, you aren't qualified to offer your opinion. You're toying with serious technology you don't fully understand, and by that I mean both medical devices and the scanners.
The pump manufacturers seem to think there may be problems with the Strip Search Machines, no doubt in the case of Backscatter, a little less with the MMW. If I was pumping I think doing what the maker directs is the only way to ensure any warranty or assistance from the company can be expected.
TSA employees who say or suggest that people with insulin pumps can go through a Strip Search Machine should be held personally accountable for any problems the traveler encounters including having to personally buy a new pump if it is damaged during screening.
Totally agree. And dream on.
I'm guessing that the "dream" comment refers to having TSA employees held accountable for their acts.
Im gonna stay out of this because Ill get shot for it.
Ciarn -Go look up the definition of Coercion, and add coercion under duress/force. Needless to say unless your a medical professional and or someone directly associated with the design teams of these pumps you dont know what your talking about and need to stop while your way behind.
Okay where did you go to medical school or recieve medical training? medical license(s) including state/# and where your authorized to practice medicine. TSA "training" doesnt count as it suspect at best.
So, if I disagree with you, I have to have had medical training?
I posted some info from two pump makers. Did you read that post by chance?
No im asking for proof. TSA likes to run its mouth like it knows whats its talking about when 99.9% its talking out its (expletive deleted).
I would apply that same statistic to humanity in general.
Most of the time theres proof to back ascertions, TSA doesnt prove squat and hides behind "Stupid Squirel Insanity".
Ill ask again, what medical traning & by who, licenses do you hold, where you can make claims like that about a insulin pump.
Nice to see that you agree that 99.9% of what the TSA says is nonsense.
In my experience, people love to make claims and then get angry if you ask them to cite their source. They'd take more time to argue why they don't have to do it than it would take to list their source. On one of my message boards, I make it a requirement to cite your source if your claim is challenged. I suspect people take umbrage to being challenged on their claims because they think you're doubting their veracity which would be impugning their honor. They need to get over it.
The reason I can claim the MMW scanner doesn't damage insulin pumps is based on experience. I've actually never been asked if someone should go through the scanner if they had a pump, they either go through the scanner or they opt out without asking. The ones that go through the scanner get their hand swabbed and go on about their day. One might conclude that those people aren't getting new pump after every trip through the airport.
Would you find it reasonable that given how often people wearing the pump go through the scanners, that if there was a problem there'd be significantly more news or complaints about it?
I suspect your asking about my medical training so that you can point out I shouldn't be giving advice regarding medical devices, even when asked, because I'm not qualified. I disagree with this, as I've told you earlier, but it would seem you really need to find out about my medical training so I will answer. I have no medical training aside from basic first aid, CPR, and infant CPR. I was certified by the Red Cross, but it's expired. I'm still a volunteer for the Red Cross but haven't renewed my certification yet.
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