Terror! Terror! (in the Sunshine State)

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Cartoon Peril, Sep 2, 2011.

  1. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Just in time for the 10th Anniversary of 9/11, and because apparently people aren't scared enough, the State of Florida, in conjunction naturally with the Ministry of Homeland Security, has now officially adopted a Rat Out Your Neighbor Policy If You See Something, Say Something Campaign, which, according to the Palm Beach Post, will work like this:

    Oh, and here's the really good part:
  2. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    There were people in blue shirts harassing people at a bus station in MCO- that should definitely be reported. :rolleyes:
  3. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    And for those of us looking for work, should we just assume we need to focus on the black market because the government has shared :trash: "information", so any clearance we may seek pulls up "open investigation"?? It is so appalling to me that persons with policy disagreements, in a once-free country, would end up having a harder time getting work than some thief hired to move (and steal) personal property at the airport.
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  4. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    And here are some of the roster of choices you get for your online report of "suspicious activity":

    Translation: own nothing, ask no questions, be ignorant, shut up and move along, don't ask questions, don't take pictures and don't watch anything the police do.
  5. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Wow, it's just like the bad old days of TIPS. Remember that?
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  6. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Yes, I forgot about that. Government wanted to enlist repairmen, meter readers, etc, essentially anyone with access to a private residence, as a corps of spies. Lovely.
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  7. gojirasan

    gojirasan Original Member

    Just start reporting TSOs, DHS employees, politicians, and AFS people in general.
  8. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    It's McCarthyism all over again. Awesome. :td:

    I've thought of doing just that. The problem is that it's sometimes difficult to tell, and I really don't want to make a call on one of us. :eek:
  9. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I suppose this is good for possibly overloading the system, rendering the blacklisting tips useless. But the practice is abhorrent. Can the U.S. possibly begin to distinguish people who want to be left alone from people who want to destroy America and its system of government? Tell an objector from a traitor?

    From J Edgar to now, if you see anyone along any spectrum of disagreement as an enemy, there is almost no conclusion to your witch hunt. This fascism/orthodoxy is a zombie which cannot be reconciled with our democracy, and periodically must die back.
  10. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Photography gets you on the list? Good lord :rolleyes:

    What is this country coming to?!
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I hear if you give them twenty tips, you get a free brown blue shirt. Fifty tips wins you a pair of jackboots.
  12. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Does 500 win me a gold badge, which also allows me to grope my neighbors?
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  13. gojirasan

    gojirasan Original Member

    We may have reached a point where there is no longer any real difference between the two. The U.S. no longer represents liberty. It represents fascism and police state tactics in the name of safety and security. While it may be possible to brainwash many Americans into redefining "freedom" to mean whatever the powers that be want it to mean, it is not so easy to fool the rest of the world. For a U.S. citizen freedom means the freedom to obey whatever orders the government gives you and to submit to authority without resistance. It is the government itself that has been granted the very freedom which the founders wanted for citizens. The NoS electronic strip search machines and the genital patdowns are clearly unconstitutional and yet the government doesn't need to worry about that. It has the freedom to do what it wants.
  14. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    gojirasan, you are exactly right.

    In conversations with family and friends, the logic seems to have turned to something along the lines of: being groped/irradiated and enjoying it, even being thankful for it, is what allows one the freedom to travel. I'm astonished at how stupid some people can be.
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  15. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    TSA knows its public well. There are actually people who approve of this.
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  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Occupying the bottom rung of the evolutionary scale are those tin-badged jack-booted blue-shirted thugs who enjoy sniffing Granny's underwear under the threat of "Do you want to be put on the Do Not Fly list?"

    And, unfortunately, that seems to be all the TSA hires.
  17. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I don't think too many TSA agents enjoy their work in that way. But that is not the question. The security state cannot be founded on losers and perverts. It must be based on routine, on banality, and on mindlessness, both of the citizen and the government agent. To me, the key to destruction of this search regime is to inculcate a sense of shame in the day-to-day perpetrators. Civilization indeed requires shame. It is precisely the avoidance of shame that TSA's reign of euphemism ("screening of children", Advance Image Technology, etc.) is intended to achieve, and in fact, the need for TSA to use such lies is a testament to their fear of what the truth may bring.
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Baloney. If you actually believe that, perhaps it's time to pack up and leave. We do have some major issues that can be dealt with.

    The problem with our Nazi (brown shirt, SA, SS, Reichskommissar, Reichsminister, Gestapo and Nazi itself) and communist analogies (and they are good parallels to be mindful of in case the checks and balances don't work out) is that people start to accept them as reality rather than as metaphor.
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  19. INK

    INK Original Member

    My bold above.

    I would offer a mild disagreement. In many parts of the world, including some places here, the U.S. still represents liberty. It has become a fact that there are areas of our society where it does not practice it, the airport checkpoint being just one of them.

    The distinction may seem inconsequential, but it is key to understanding the controversial nature of the procedures and the even larger problem we face.

    The defining documents of our government have not changed except marginally. It is the meaning of the rule of law. We are to adhere to our founding principles, as agreed by our legal representation, and only changed by the procedures written within the documents themselves. At the basic level, our definition of what we are is within these documents. If the unknowing want to learn what the United States represents it is there in black and white for all to see. And it does represent liberty.

    However, we have decided that the rule of men and their opinions will govern our daily actions. The fact that we as a society have surrendered to this system of rule of men does not mean that our system of government has changed. It still represents liberty. The people have accepted the soft tyranny of the rule of men. Defending liberty is hard work. Liberty must be bought and maintained with the blood and treasure of true patriots, those willing to apply their liberty to defend a system that only their survivors will enjoy.

    We have bought the lie that we can be made safe and secure by the actions of men that can make decisions to control our actions and environment. They can neither provide safety nor security, they can only provide the appearance that they are. We may or may not reestablish the US as a point of applied liberty, that we will again become what is represented by our defining documents, but I do not know. I do know that it will require the lives, the fortunes and the sacred honor of a new generation of patriots.

    We live in a time of decision and necessary action. I really do not know if we are up to the task. I hope and pray that we are.
  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    And I think if one of them does, that's too many.

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