The 10th Anniversary Fear Orgy Continues!

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by barbell, Sep 3, 2011.

  1. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Homeland Security should be called "Defense Department" and Defense Department should go back to "War Department."
     
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    From tomorrow through Monday, anyone in downtown NYC MUST be carrying ID to prove that they either work, live or go to school in the area. What will happen if they don't? The NYPD probably has some pier rented to put the miscreants as they did during the Republican (?) convention a few years ago.
     
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  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Hey, this dirtbag has to dodge enough idiot drivers already.
     
  4. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Ihre Papieren, bitte.
     
  5. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Well, you never can be too careful. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Holy (expletive deleted).
     
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Link?

    Short of imposing martial law, this absolutely is unconstitutional with two major issues:

    1. Can't require ID to be shown

    2. Can't hinder freedom of movement in public spaces.
     
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  8. darwin76

    darwin76 Original Member

    Why not just drop the pretense and call it the Department of Patriotism and Fatherland Security?
     
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  9. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I didn't get it originally from Fox - probably heard it on WCBS.

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/lower-manhattan-9-11-shutdown-ncx-20110908
     
  10. darwin76

    darwin76 Original Member

    I sincerely hope that multiple civil libertarians who don't live there will exercise their constitutional rights and bait an arrest. That request is so odious and out of character for a free country that lawsuits must become of it so either precedent is established and the NYPD fined, or the suit thrown out, giving us one more piece of evidence we no longer live in a free country.

    This obsession with identification is about control and conditioning, not security. The 9/11 hijackers had no problem getting valid identification.

    The thought of future advancements in facial recognition is terrifying. At what point will they be able to identify everybody everywhere with ubiquitous and cheap cameras?

    If our Stasi really can require identification for walking a dog then it's time for a full-blown Constitutional convention.
     
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  11. darwin76

    darwin76 Original Member

    This is what I found:

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/lower-manhattan-9-11-shutdown-ncx-20110908

    The language is Orwellian.

    Everyone? Really? And the problem is the length?

    Language like this is a common tactic of authoritarian regimes. Authoritarian regimes control oppositional thought by making thinkers feel they are alone and unusual. One of the greatest challenges to a budding dissident in an authoritarian society is realizing that the problem is with the power structure, not him, and that he's not the only rotten apple spoiling everybody else's supposed harmony and order.
     
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  12. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Yes, that's the link I thought I'd put in my post but did not. :rolleyes: It's been rectified.
     
  13. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Methinks I have read that this is already being done.

    ETA:

    http://epic.org/privacy/surveillance/

    and

    http://www.vosizneias.com/75215/201...acial-recognition-technology-to-id-criminals/

     
  14. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    For use in bus and train stations?!?!?! WTF?

    Oh, and it will check "terrorist databases"? Well that's just lovely. I imagine many of these "terrorist databases" contain a number of non-terrorist names for doing such unAmerican things as speaking out against the government, or being brown. :td:

    Who approves this :trash:?

    Side note: proud of myself for including both ends of the alimentary canal in a single post. AND in anatomical order!
     
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