The bell tolls for TSA.

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by AngryMiller, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    My brother said to me the other day, "Are you still complaining about TSA?"

    Yes, yes I am. You don't fly e v e r so what the eff do you know that I don't? Oh, right. Nothing.

    Besides the fact that he knows that I have an "in" to airport security. He came to my office all the time when I worked at the airline and we went to lunch about once every other week. He's talked to the guys in corporate security and legal himself. Now, they didn't talk about the security nonsense, but he knows I knows those guys on a "friendly" level. He thinks I make it all up. Willful ignorance, anyone?
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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    That's why, though I continue to collate stories and update the Master List, I know it isn't changing anyone's mind. I started doing this last year because I knew that if I didn't, naysayers would tell me, "why should we believe that the stories you're telling us aren't just a handful of bad occurrences out of the millions upon millions of uneventful ones?" So I thought, okay, evidence. I'll compile evidence.

    And now I see that evidence is meaningless, too. I'll still do it, for my own satisfaction, but it isn't changing anyone's mind. The comments I've gotten at other blogs, sites, newspapers, from the AFS types -- "oh, just a bunch of whining," "who cares about those few instances?" "I fly all the time and it's never happened to me!" "my sister/brother/spouse/fill-in-the-blank flies all the time and it's never happened to him!" "you're just looking for something to complain about."

    Blah blah (expletive deleted) blah.
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  3. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Stay the course. You are correct in what you are doing.
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  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Lisa, I appreciate you compiling your list, though honestly I don't read it because it depresses me no end.

    And, yeah, I've seen those comments directed at you at those blogs.

    I've taken a different tact. You can see it unfold on Ms. Hebshi's blog in the comments. I'm responding to people as offensively as they are posting. Boy, they really don't like getting told in their own tone "what's up." I doubt it'll change minds, but it certainly is going to make a few lurkers rethink their position. Oh, yeah, and it makes me feel a whole lot better! ;)
  5. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    A good rant/vent can often be cathartic. This isn't a Quixotic quest either.
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    We had a conversation about this on TUG a while back; can't remember now which thread, how many members. But we were discussing different tactics, different forms of argument, different styles, rational vs. emotional, just-the-facts-ma'am vs. insults, etc.

    I said then and still believe that tailoring the response to the audience is useful. I always begin with a respectful, rational tone. I'm willing to ramp it up to a different level if the situation calls for it. If the person is spreading misinformation (or disinformation -- hello, Blogger Bob), I'm willing to call them out on it (did that at The Atlantic the other day with some dim bulb who was spouting off about Vance Gilbert and obviously speaking from ignorance). I'm also willing to just ignore people if I think they crave attention.

    It all depends on the context. I'm not a hothouse flower and can take a good, ringing insult (paraphrasing a judge I read about 30 years ago who adjudicated in a defamation suit). I don't lead with that attitude, but I think sometimes insults are called for in return. In other words, I don't subscribe to the Miss Manners Rules of Engagement. And sometimes insults are just plain funny. Sometimes a succinct provocative statement will do. And sometimes a tart, deliberately coy approach is better. Again, it all depends.
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