The Blue-Shirted Gestapo ... May They Rot in (expletive deleted)

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Sep 3, 2011.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Nashville yet again.....
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    And this was only a second-hand grope!
     
  4. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Well.... I'll just say this to get it out there and then I won't bring it up again. I have huge issues with the underlying racism in statements like this:
    It was from the article "The Blue-Shirted Gestapo" (yes, I have issues with that title too). But these are subjects for a different time and probably on a different forum.

    However --- I agree completely with the sentiment that the writer is expressing. The TSA is abusing and terrorizing people. When we, as a country, allow this type of abuse to happen to travelers, we've lost. Might as well throw in the towel and go home. The whole notion that the TSA can strip search, sexually assault, harass and intimidate people based on nothing more than a whim is obscene and un-American.
     
  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    It's even more obscene when they knowingly hire criminals to do it.
     
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  6. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I agree 100%, Caradoc
     
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    As far as I'm concerned rotting in (expletive deleted) would be going to easy on the Blue Shirted Thugs (BSTs)!
     
  8. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    As a "Blue Shirted Thug," I'm already on my way to (expletive deleted). It's not for anything I've done working for TSA. There are plenty of things I've done in the name of freedom and democracy during my Army career that many squeamish wimps would find deplorable, perhaps unethical or even criminal.

    All of this emotion over a pat-down? Really?

    Naive people looks at things that way.
     
  9. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Damn straight b/c I was sexually assaulted. It remains to be seen how it plays out in the court system, but if they try to discredit me it will make TSA look even worse.
     
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  10. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    You are the exception, and I agree that there needs to be a viable alternative. There always needs to be a common sense approach for exceptions to the rule.
     
  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Jail time. The typical penalty applied to things like this. We don't put up with this from our doctor, from people on the street, and we should not put up with it because someone in uniform does it.
     
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  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I'm not certain it's possible to make them look even worse, unless deliberate sexual assault is actually the policy - but until the jack-booted blue-shirted knuckle-dragging thugs stop hiding behind the sheer idiocy of "SSI," there's no way for us to know by other than their actions. And those are already deplorable.
     
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  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    A grope & sexual assault, not a pat down -- when I saw the look on my wife's face last Nov. 1, the war was on.
     
  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Equal protection under the law -- there needs to be a common sense, constitutional, reasonable, respectful approach for everyone. The groping, sexual assaults and strip searches in the private rooms must end.
     
  15. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    And maybe they were deplorable, unethical, and criminal, we don't know. This might be part of the problem. Perhaps those things you did color your judgement to such a degree as to prevent you from seeing this as normal people see it. It's a big deal for most people when someone insists on feeling private areas, and they are forced to make a choice to allow it or abandon their flight, and all that the flight entails for them. What is being done is not a patdown in many cases. It is not a "patdown" if sexual organs are being contacted, hair is being inspected, buttocks are being rubbed, inner thighs up to and touching the crotch is being done. That is a prisoner intake process, and I'm not inclined to accept a jailer's word that it "isn't all that bad". Not for him and from his perspective, he does it all the time. From my perspective as a citizen who is protected from such behavior coming from the state, it is a big a deal not only because of the intrusion, but also because of the message the government is sending to me by doing this and the fact that they are p*ssing over something I care a lot about, the US Constitution. It's hard to get beyond those simple black and white words in the 4th Amendment. They are not hard to understand, and they do not countenance what is being done.

    Recently, going through some airports, I've seen some "patdowns" that look a lot like the old frisk, that did not go up into the inner thigh and crotch area and the "sliding" motion is extremely light and not intrusive. Those are less objectionable. Yet there is always some troll, like the fellow I saw in PDX, who either out of incompetence or malice, literally rubbed the heck out of people and went up the inner thigh hard and with a vengeance, starting low and ending high, making the male pax wince.
     
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  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    If the TSA were serious about keeping their thugs in line, they'd have high "administrative penalties" added to the criminal penalties for miscreants in their hire. If they can set an $11,000 penalty on travelers for refusing to be treated as criminals, they could certainly do the same for the actual criminals in their midst.
     
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  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    There needs to be NO TSA.

    Security of airports and airplanes should be the responsibility of the owners. If they don't provide acceptable security then people have the "free" choice to go elsewhere.
     
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  18. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I think you've become desensitized.

    If these were standard pat-down you wouldn't see the uproar that you see now. These are not pat-downs, they are sexual assaults. You are groping people's genitals, their breasts, you are touching people's faces and their hair. That's bad enough, but then you cause people to have their own urine spilled on them, you examine a terminal elderly woman's diaper, have allowed TSA agents to force a woman to remove her nipple rings with pliers. Sorry, these are not pat-downs. (and when I say 'you', I don't mean you personally)

    Your post is pretty revealing, though - not just of yourself, but of the mindset that one must get into in order to do certain acts that ordinarily they wouldn't do. And that goes for those who set TSA policy.
     
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  19. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    The pat down does not entail contact with the nipples of a woman's breasts. And the pat down of the groin area is limited to the lower portion of the abdomen but not directly over the genitals. For some men (a small percentage) there may be some incidental contact with the penis. For a majority of men, this never happens. (Sorry, guys, but that's the way it is.) No contact is made with the face. Women are not required to remove nipple rings. The elderly woman voluntarily removed her diaper; she was never instructed to do so; her adult daughter made that decision (by the way, her daughter also decided to NOT pack any spare diapers and the one the lady was wearing was already soiled). These are not sexual assaults.

    As for my mindset, I think you will find that it's pretty limited to people who have had similar experiences either in the military or with law enforcement and is not typical of the average TSO. Your attempt to paint that as a TSA mindset simply misses its mark. I also categorize many TSOs as naive to how nasty the REAL WORLD can be.

    But I do agree with you that I am desensitized. Not in the way you think you mean it, though.

    Have a nice day.
     
  20. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Except when, in the case of an "oopsie" it does.

    Except when it does, which for me has been 3/3.

    And what of the men who have scrotums? Groping around the upper thigh will cause one to come into contact with one of those. I imagine most men have one.

    Except when it is.

    Except when they are.

    Well, of course she had the option not to enter the sterile area that day. I guess you are right, there, bucko.

    Except when they are.

    Which fails to take into account that the people entering airports are neither enemy combatants nor common criminals being processed for jail time. It's enlightening to know that this is why we often feel this way.

    And those in our population who are worried over nothing, fearing the terrorist around every corner, craving more power, angry at those for not following THE RULES!, they've lost themselves. They've lost the true meaning of America. To live in peace and harmony with each other. Not to abrogate, sexually assault, manhandle, and abuse them.

    "This is a very important practice. Live your daily life in a way that you never lose yourself. When you are carried away with your worries, fears, cravings, anger, and desire, you run away from yourself and you lose yourself. The practice is always to go back to oneself."
    —Thich Nhat Hanh
     
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