The Blue-Shirted Gestapo ... May They Rot in (expletive deleted)

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Sep 3, 2011.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Would it be safe to say then that those people who travel might have a better appreciation of what is really going on at TSA checkpoints than TSA?

    You know that the military lived on standardization right down to where you placed the stencil when you marked your skivvies.

    Standardization is the one area that TSA has failed miserably in and it shows. You as an individual may not be in a position to change policy but I would hope that our concerns are passed up the chain of command in some form.
  2. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    He's not. The TSA is not a law enforcement organization.

    In my ideal of commercial aviation screening, it would be a simple screening for weapons / explosives / incendiaries using x-ray of belongings, metal detectors and Explosive Trace Detection. This would greatly simplify the training requirements.
  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

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  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Kind of like the TSA attracts petty tyrants, thieves, and perverts.

    I wouldn't call taking a job with an agency like the TSA "integrating back into polite society."
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  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    You are proud of being arrogant and that's a big problem. A reasonable level of self-confidence is good; arrogance is not.

    Arrogance and insecurity are closely related. I see both you and your colleague at SAT as having deep underlying fears and insecurities which you cover up with arrogance. It's very evident in much that you write and is what results in the negativity with which you are often received here.

    I would venture that you joined the TSA because your in-grained arrogance would not allow you many other employment options.
  6. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I never said nor agreed that other airports aren't doing it right. I said that I work at only one of the 450 airports TSA mans. Folks in here drill me about why this or that isn't happening at a certain airport? I don't work there! I do know the SOP they're supposed to follow and the training they received, but that doesn't seem a good enough answer. I might be missing something here, but the impression I get is that I'm expected to know why a particular TSO in Dulles, LAX, Chicago or Tupelo, MS didn't follow a particular procedure. How the (expletive deleted) am I supposed to know?

    However, when I do chat with instructors from other airports, I get a lot of good information and insight. My battle buddies and I are on pace.
  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member your war against the American general public.
  8. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    You beat me to it.
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  9. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Wow. Bart got pasted. But the problem is really with ourselves, isn't it? I mean, not the few people here, but the broad citizenry who keep electing the fools that approve the budget for TSA. Bart is right to the extent that he is giving the people what they want. Of course, whether what the people want is necessarily moral or constitutional is a separate issue.
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    No, Bart is giving TSA what it wants, not the people and I see little appreciation for what is going on by TSA hands nationally. There seems to be little concern that even with multiple reports from various areas of the country that TSA employees are doing things not sanctioned.

    I find the excuse, not my airport, not my problem very lacking in personal professionalism.
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    If you're looking for "personal professionalism" from a groper, you're looking in the wrong place.
  12. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I don't think we should get sidetracked by personality issues. Bart isn't the issue here. The TSA clerks are not necessarily the issue either. Some of them are undoubtedly scum. Many obviously are not. All but one I've seen in the past couple of weeks seemed intent on doing a good job, were decent to passengers in their *manner*.

    The issue is *what* they are doing or can do at their whim, that is, the threat they pose to passengers, from the perspective of the passengers:
    1. Still forcing people to reveal themselves under their clothing to clerks at Rapiscan machines and at L3 machines not yet upgraded to ATR.
    2. Still forcing those who opt-out of this to unreasonable inner thigh and genital touching, breast touching, in some cases harshly and forcibly, with no control on the clerk doing the touching, no recourse by passengers no way for passenger to object or limit this.
    3. Still subjecting passengers BEYOND the checkpoint to random inner thigh and genital touching, breast touching, in some cases harshly and forcibly with no control on the clerk doing the touching, no recourse by passengers no way for passenger to object or limit this.
    4. Subjecting passengers to humiliating and thorough genital, crotch, breast and anal cleft inspections if an ETD swab test comes out positive where such tests have an alarmingly high false positive rates, upwards of 100% false positives.
    5. Expansion of the scope of coercion by subjecting passengers to intrusive questions they cannot compel answers to, and retaliating against non cooperating passengers with unreasonable genital, inner thigh, breast, and buttocks touching, in some cases harshly and forcibly.
    6. Still claiming, via their mouthpieces in court and press, and their Administrator Pistole, that these measures and OTHERS as intrusive or more intrusive could be applied as TSA desires when TSA desires. These public statements have never been repudiated and continue to be a statement of the full extent of TSA's power over you whereever they control a venue.
    This is a picture of a federal agency and its agents that has removed itself from governing limits imposed by the Constitution, that has explicitly and confessedly removed itself from the limits imposed by the mores and expectations of the people they are molesting or threaten to molest. It is a declaration of war and oppression over those who come into contact with the TSA and its agents.

    Yes, 90% to 98% of the time, screening takes place as it always has, and nothing untoward happens. But the above list, which expands at TSA's whim, is there terrorizing and negatively impacting the passengers travelling freely as is their right. It is part of the threat passengers face every time they approach an airport.

    These are scummy and wicked things you are doing Bart, you, your fellow clerks, and your agency. It is YOU and your fellow clerks and your agency that have turned this country into a third world sh*thole, in your terms, at airport checkpoints by doing these things. All the more despicable measures because they are unnecessary.
  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    It takes individual people to do these things so I think it is fair to look at the individual person. More so when that person trains the individuals, surely they have some conduit to the more senior trainers where they can pass back feedback.

    Just following orders is not acceptable when those orders are violative of our way of life and contrary to our Constitution.

    A person of honor would not carry out these things and they have the ability to walk away from these abuses without inflicting any retribution on themselves.
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  14. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Agreed with everything, though I would say that a strip search is still a strip search whether or not performed electronically and whether or not using ATR. It is further unreasonable because it is wholly ineffective, particularly for what it is claimed to be able to do.
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  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Your post seems to be contradictory.

    The TSA clerks are one of the major issues. They're the goons carrying out the (expletive deleted) from the higher-ups.
  16. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The point I was making was that most of the TSA personnel ARE NOT criminals, ARE NOT scum, ARE NOT people of no morals, and therefore they HAVE NO EXCUSE for participating in the personal violations they are participating in. So I agree with Boggie Dog on this.
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  17. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    And that's where I have to disagree with you - they would have no excuse for participating in the personal violations if they were not scum, or had morals.

    They do.
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I moved a couple of the worst personal attacks to the moderation forum, where they can still be viewed as you're chastised. Try to focus on the issues. Otherwise a couple of you might end up in the stocks in the town square.

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