The Clock is Ticking

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Sky Dancer, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. Sky Dancer

    Sky Dancer Original Member

    This is something I've thought about for a long time now, and I'm 100% serious. This system can't go on much longer without a blowout.

    We're constantly reading about the humiliation, degrading searches, and perversion with TSA. Remember my words friends. I see a disaster in the making.

    Sooner or later, some poor abused individual will go through a security checkpoint and be further abused. I predict that that person will return to the airport checkpoint with a conceiled weapon, and take out as many TSA employees as they can before they're stopped.

    No one ever thought that the sweet kid from down the street would go to school one day and blow away his teachers and classmates. But it happened. More than once.

    The writing is on the wall, and it's just a matter of time.
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  2. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I have had this same thought, and it frightens me.


    Because they'll just use it as justification to inflict more abuse.

    Remember, TSA holds themselves blameless in all things. Always. Any time there is a problem it is because someone else did something wrong. Every single time a TSA policy or action creates a loophole, the individual traveler is punished by yet.another.layer.

    I also anticipate that as TSA gets larger and more complex it will simply implode on its own self. I certainly hope that day comes before this scenario, though they aren't moving fast enough for this to happen as best I can tell.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  4. With all the rumbling out of DHS about "domestic extremists" the past few years, I'd say they're expecting it, and that they're surprised it hasn't happened already.
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    By the way, I've been wanting to post this quote by Frederick Douglass for a while now -- it fits in just about every TUG forum -- so I think I'll just start posting it everywhere:
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  6. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Frankly, I think they are trying to create them so they can turn around and say "I told you so!"

    After all, what is a bureaucracy's primary aim but its own survival and expansion?
  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    It's one of the DHS's self-fulfilling prophesies. They want domestic terrorism. Oh - not consciously - but they'd nonetheless be utterly euphoric if they managed to provoke someone into going postal on them. The DHS would take such a response as justification for all the abuse they've heaped on us - plus more.

    We'd better pray they don't get what they've been begging for. It will be decent citizens who suffer the most.
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  8. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    If they start at the top, I'll light a candle.

    seriously, even though there would be poetic justice in this, it would be counterproductive. It's too early for this kind of desperation.
  9. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    The first thing that popped into my head when I read Liz and Barbell's responses was the DRM arms-race in the tech industry. Every time a DRM system is cracked (SafeDisc, SecuROM, LaserLock, C-Dilla, the list goes on), copyright-industry spokesholes talk about the event like it's the end of the world for their business (even as their music/movie/game has them raking in record profits). The answer? More, tougher, and increasingly obnoxious DRM. Of course, that gets cracked on or before release day too, and the cycle repeats. Every time, legitimate customers get screwed (look up StarForce if you haven't heard of it - your jaw will hit the floor) and every time, pirates get a superior product because they hack around and strip out DRM.

    America is like the content publishers - crying wolf and proclaiming to the heavens that the heavens are falling and the only thing that can stop it is more, more, more layers of security. Of course, the sky ISN'T falling and those layers of security have nothing to do with safety but rather are about control.

    Security companies like Rape-i-scan and L3 are like the DRM system creators - they know their product is snake oil but they're making a killing on it, so given the choice between coming clean and lighting another Cuban cigar with a flamin' $100 bill, they're going to say "Pass the stogie, Bob."

    Terrorists are like the pirates (disclaimer: I neither agree with nor endorse the 'piracy supports terrorism' propaganda that RIAA/MPAA/BSA/ESA put out) - they laugh at the attempts made to stop them and keep doing what they do anyway for reasons of their own. WPA beefed up? Create 7Loader to pre-activate at boot time. Body scanners introduced in airports? Aside from the fact that it means you've already won, just bomb the security queue. They're more nimble and able to think outside the box, and the only difference is that while both problems are hugely overblown, content pirates actually exist in significant numbers while terrorists are, for all practical intents and purposes, mythical boogeymen within the borders of the US.

    And pax? Well, they're like the legitimate customers who get cornholed by someone else's crusade. Maybe their Sony music CD contained XCP and rooted their box (this is not an exaggeration - again, look up XCP and look up the Sony exec's response about rootkits) or maybe their game had StarForce and permanently destroyed their DVD drive (no joke there either). Or maybe they just wanted to take their kids to Disneyworld and instead had to watch their family get molested by blue-uniformed subhuman organisms as a condition of travel. They bought, they paid, they made their gestures of good faith, and in the end they got (expletive deleted).
  10. INK

    INK Original Member

    I have thought about this as well. However, my perspective is a bit different. Those of us that travel frequently have developed defense mechanisms to compartmentalize the aggravation and stupid stuff. Once we are past the CP, or better yet the plane door latches, we can forget about the TSA for a while.

    Infrequent travelers are a bit different. They will look it it and say "That sucked, glad I just have to do that once a year" and put it away.

    The ones that I feel are the greatest threat for "going postal" are the TSA people themselves. They are there every day, having to put up with dumb supervisors and procedures, listening to passenger complaints, and doing the disgusting job of rubbing down complete strangers for what they have to realize is very little reason. They also have the ability to get ordnance into the CP. They are not being spotted. They get perfunctory checks. They are the ones about which I am concerned.
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Probably a good guess, given that TSA was ranked 220 of 224 agencies in ratings of the best agencies to work for.
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  12. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Interesting! Did you notice that DHS is rated under "Large Agencies" as 28th of 31? It figures...:D
  13. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Also interesting to note the the Government Accountability Office, #2 on the list, rose 6.6% over the past year. What do you suppose that says? Is that office having more success in making government accountable and its employees are pleased to see their efforts pay off?
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  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I know someone who used to work at the GAO. She seemed to feel she and her colleagues were doing good work, responsible work, but it was still frustrating because they didn't believe anything necessarily came of it.
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  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Well, I can certainly understand that. Just look at DHS/TSA's response to anything that comes out of GAO.
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh, yeah, they were merciless when it came to the TSA. "Those people are idiots" was one comment I remember. GAO found so much waste and incompetence, it was a running joke.
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  17. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    I just hope whoever snaps has good aim and doesn't kill any travellers. No one should kill TSA screeners either, but the travellers shouldn't be collateral damage.

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  18. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

  19. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    Indeed! He wants his rights, but screw the rest of Americans rights. POS. What is even more troubling is the thought that if he made comments about groping citizens and supporting their loss of rights, the TSA would have done nothing at all.

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