The Conditioning of the US Flyer - Shoes

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in Other Countries' started by exbayern, Sep 23, 2011.

  1. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Makes one wonder about the competency of the crew to fly a plane!
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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  3. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    stopitstopitstopitstopitstopitstopit!!! If you people are too stupid to keep your shoes on, stay home instead of clogging up airport security lines in rest of world.

    When the screener and all the other passengers tell you that shoes stay ON, that means STOP IT! That doesn't mean that you take off your shoes, and start lecturing everyone else around you to take off their shoes.

    (Yes, I am sick of this, and it is winter, nothing near the idiocy of high season travelling in Europe with shoesheep)

    One last time, people, STOP IT!!!!

    (ok, I know that I am preaching to the choir here, but this is beyond idiocy now)
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  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, exbayern, you are preaching to the choir here. The sheeple don't read TUG. They're not even aware of its existence. And even if they were, they wouldn't care. I can't tell you how many times I've sent links from here to friends/colleagues. They don't look at them. They don't want to know. They love wallowing in their ignorance. That way, when the (expletive deleted) hits the fan, they can wail, "But I didn't know! I didn't know it would get this bad! How could I possibly have known?!"
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  5. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    (What I DO like about the squat toilet is that no one goes in there with a newspaper for 45 mins ;) I grew up in a 1 bathroom house, everafter, all my own dwellings have a min of 1.5 baths, even if I have to build the extra on myself.)
  6. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    :p Very true!

    This week's shoe report:
    - LHR no shoe removers, but there was admittedly ONE person ahead of me at security
    - FRA: six people ahead of me splitting into two lanes. While I was putting on my coat and scarf after the WTMD, a screener walked over with a bin and asked in English 'To whom do these shoes belong?' A man claimed them, and the screener with that particularly German distaste said 'You can have them, sir; WE don't want them here'
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It's always good to hear that there is some intelligence abroad. Now if only someone can figure out how to inject it into the feedback loop.
  8. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    This week's shoe report:

    - Former Commieland country: security at the gate (only), one apparent American who tried to take off his shoes in front of me, until security said 'nonononononononononono!' and he finally stopped (They voiced what was being said in my head)

    - LHR FastTrack: 3 people in front of me, 3 shoe removers. Two were accompanied by an escort who insisted that they STOP removing their shoes, but they didn't listen. The two screeners working the belt and dealing with the resulting back up of items grumbled 'if they would only LISTEN to us, things would be so much quicker!' The irony is that I was telling them 'no shoe removal required' whilst we were standing in front of the security sign which has zero pictures of shoes. Yet between the escort and I, nobody listened

    The shoe report has not improved since I first wrote this post, unfortunately... :(
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Sheep, sheep, sheep.

    Actually, I take that back. I recently learned that sheep are quite intelligent creatures, even more so than pigs. They can recognize faces and pick up on subtle emotional cues.

    We insult just about all animals when we compare them to humans. I wish I had a better metaphor.
  10. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    *Epic FacePalm*

    What's next? Our fellow americans INSIST the they reach into our pants/skirts to make sure we don't have any explosive devices?

  11. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    Today's shoe report:
    - LHR T5 FastTrack (T5 is mostly BA and of course AA)
    - 3 American-sounding passengers ahead of me
    - 3 passengers are told not to remove shoes by screener, echoed by me
    - 3 passengers reply 'It's safer this way'

    :eek: :td:

    Thus ends the shoe reporting; this reporter cannot stomach it any more.

    But on a side note, I had a last minute change of terminals and hence had a few liquids purchased post-security in my carry on when I cleared at T5. The screener was very kind, expressed concern that I had had to change terminals, hoped that I made my new flight without stress, offered me back my scarf even though my carry on had not yet been hand checked for the noted liquids, offered to let me drink my gingerbeer instead of giving it to him (this was after the WTMD), was apologetic that he had to remove my shave scrub that I had just purchased in another terminal, and generally was very sympathic and kind. There was no berating me for bringing through liquids, no treating me like a criminal, and generally a lot of understanding for the challenges passengers face (especially at that embarassment called LHR T5). He even double checked that I would need to take the train to my gate for me.

    And yet, there are people who prefer the TSA experience because it makes them 'safer'!
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The sheeple speak.
  13. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    This week's count:

    4/6 sheep. (Does anyone notice the low figures I am always posting about how many people were in front of me in these security queues? No 30-45 minute waits in 'rest of world')

    And sadly, 1 lamb and 1 ewe behind me. The lamb was bleating 'shoes, Mama? shoes? Do we take our shoes off?' I turned around, smiled, and shook my head. Lamb seemed somewhat reassured, until ewe berated her for not just interacting with a STRANGER, but also for listening to the stranger and not removing her shoes.

    Sad, sad, sad when the children are being indoctrinated. I reported last year about a little boy at LHR who became almost hysterical because people were not taking off their shoes.
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The children are being indoctrinated not only to do stupid stuff like taking off their shoes for no reason, but to allow strangers to touch their bodies in intimate places. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable that we're even having this discussion, and unbelievable that so many Americans are just fine with it.
  15. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    Lisa, not just fine with it, but on one of the great sheeple travel sites the general consensus is that any such discussion about how things are done in 'rest of world' is 'anti-American', and just following what is apparently a fad these days of being 'anti-American'. :rolleyes:

    Teaching the children to remove shoes, respect TSA, and to accept these things without protest is apparently PATRIOTIC.

    Perhaps it is my background, but this continues to both disgust and alarm me. People have put their brains on ice and are letting emotion guide them. Since when is being intelligent 'anti-American', and being stupid 'patriotic'?

    If that is the case, then I think that we all have much to fear, sadly.
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  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Exbayern, if I could give you 100 thumbs-up, I would.

    (And let's not forget that anti-intellectualism is a strain that runs deep in American tradition.)
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  17. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    The TSA has been sending their employees to public schools to interact with children (in full policeman's costume, of course). These were posted on a few years ago:


    Here's an employee fingerprinting a child. It blows my mind that someone at the TSA didn't say "Hey, wait a minute. That's a little creepy, don't you think?" :eek:

  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh, god, that's sick.
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  19. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member


    What does a TSO playing a guitar, and a TSO fingerprinting a child have to do with airport security? How often do they perform those roles while on duty?

    What does it teach those children other than 'the TSO is our friend' and to be compliant?
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  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    That's exactly it. That's the point. Teach them to be compliant. That's the point of this entire enterprise, not only for children but for everyone else. Considering how many of the United Sheeple of America have gone along with it, the TSA has been very successful.

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