The Consumerist: 4-Year-Old Gets TSA Pat-Down Following Hug From Grandma

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Doober, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    No SOP violations that I could tell from the account. People, especially kids, touch uncleared passengers from time to time. It happens, and all that means is both have to be screened further, like with a pat down, or sent back out to go through the metal detector again. There's no need to react so heavy handed just because they had contact.

    I'm going only by what's written in the article though.
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  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    And boob speaks; " We’ve reviewed the incident and determined that our officers followed proper current screening procedures."

    edit to add: a copy of my submission to the TSA Blog.

    This is how Correct TSA Policy deals with a frightened Four Year Old Child.
    “First, a TSO began yelling at my child.
    I was prevented from coming any closer, explaining the situation to her, or consoling her in any way.
    My daughter, who was dressed in tight leggings, a short sleeve shirt and mary jane shoes, had no pockets, no jacket and nothing in her hands.
    That is when a TSO told me they would shut down the entire airport; cancel all flights, if my daughter was not restrained. It was then they declared my daughter a "high-security-threat".
    The TSO refused to let my daughter pass through the scanners once more, to see if she too would set off the alarm.
    My child, who was obviously terrified, had no idea what was going on, and the TSOs involved still made no attempt to explain it to her.
    It was implied, several times, that my Mother, in their brief two-second embrace, had passed a handgun to my daughter.
    The TSO loomed over my daughter, with an angry grimace on her face, and ordered her to stop crying.
    When my scared child could not do so, two TSOs called for backup saying "The suspect is not cooperating." The suspect, of course, being a frightened child.
    They treated my daughter no better than if she had been a terrorist...
    A third TSO arrived to the scene, and showed no more respect than the first two had given. All three were barking orders at my daughter, telling her to stand still and cease crying. When she did not stop crying on command, they demanded we leave the airport.
    we arrived at our gate, I noticed that the TSOs had followed us through the airport. I was told something was wrong with my boarding pass and I would have to show it to them again. Upon seeing the TSO, my daughter was thrown into hysterics. Eventually, we were able to board our flight.”
    If any of these acts by TSA employees reflect Correct TSA Policy then I say TSA Policy is wrong, the TSA Employees involved are incompetent, and TSA Leadership does not exist.
    While the chance that a Four Year Old child is a terrorist is not zero it is so close to zero that the child abuse heap on this Four Year Old girl by TSA Screeners should result in those TSA employees involved being locked up and charged. These TSA employees do not deserve to be employed by the government of the United States; they are unfit to serve the public.
    So Blogger Bob, do you still want to maintain that Proper TSA Policy was followed?
    Apparently Proper TSA Policy allows for Child Abuse.
    Screen shot captured and message posted on other media to document full compliance with illegal TSA Posting Guidelines.
    submitted @ 21:40 CST, 4/24/2012

    [coached by Mike to select a larger font to make it readable]
  3. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    Just further proof that the atrocious SOP's are the source of most of the problems with the TSA.

    See, it says right here, to molest and assault you, because the child might pass a detonator to her grandma. As long as I do it while telling you that I'm doing it (I'll actually be yelling and threatening you), everything is A OK!

    Never mind that 2 terrorists could sneak a detonator and ample c4 through security in their body cavities.
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Next time the TSA budget comes up for a vote, I'll bet he doesn't vote to defund them.

    It's amazing to me how many people are willing to vote for politicians who clearly fake their outrage.
  5. You're probably right. "Demanding answers" does not equal making substantial changes.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Fox 4 Kansas City: Child Given Patdown By TSA At Kansas Airport

    Stuff it where the sun don't shine, aviation "expert" :rolleyes: Dean Headley. A four-year-old child shouldn't have to know didly squat about airport screening procedures. The problem lies with TSA and its perverts, not with parents & their children.

    Here's the bozo if you'd like to share some wisdom with him: Dean Headley, Ph.D. Associate Professor. Office: Clinton Hall, 304. Phone: (316) 978-7101
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  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    How can a 4 year old know about screening procedures when adults don't know what to expect at checkpoints?
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yeah, Rehberg, sit down with them, by all means. Sit down with them and give them a stern talking-to. That'll show 'em.

  10. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I just got a craven, sniveling reply from Schakowsky about the ABQ incident wherein she says "I am not convinced (this) was evidence of TSA abuse" and "One of the reasons the chances (of an attack) are so low (as one in 25,000,000) is that the TSA does an excellent job of screening passengers."

    I wonder how she's going to respond to my curt E-mail regarding this one.

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  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    They're all craven. Worthless and craven. Unless and until this happens to her herself or to her 4-year-old daughter/sister/niece/cousin/whatever, nothing will change.

    These people aren't citizens. The overused (and unfair to sheep) term of contempt we usually use doesn't begin to convey how despicable they are.
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I heard a report on the radio during my morning drive to work that TSA call the next airport in these peoples iteneray and reported that one in the party was suspected of carrying a weapon. The story said the people were approached and interogated by TSA at their next stop. Haven't found any confirmation just yet.
  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Comment left at Amy Alkon's place:
  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    In the spirit of that comment I have long felt that a national network of lawyers who would intervene during checkpoint confrontations would be a career builder for attorneys starting their practice. The public needs reasonably priced legal representation at airports.
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  15. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    If they disrupt screening operations, they'll be in some trouble I think.
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, considering that so many lawyers think it's just fine that the TSA assaults us, I wouldn't hold your breath. They're just as cowardly as the rest of the sheeple.
  17. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    This is why they need to be paired with passenger advocates who have summary-termination power over TSA clerks (overriding even the FSD) and airport police who are under orders to arrest all TSA clerks who have been found in the wrong by those passenger advocates. Step out of line when screening a passenger, and the passenger calls their lawyer who comes over to represent them, summoning the PA on the way. Keep getting uppity with the pax and insisting on defending the oh-so-high-and-mighty screening process and not only do you lose your job, but you immediately get cuffed (and, if you resist, John Piked as well) and hauled downtown.

    Strike the same fear into the hearts of TSCs that TSCs have struck into pax, and we'll see some changes real quick.
  18. Ciarin

    Ciarin Member

    Would you do the same to cops?
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    So having legal representation during an issue with TSA is disruptive of screening operations? Seems TSA would want this kind of thing to happen, an officer of the court documenting how a traveler violated some unknown TSA policy. How could that possibly harm TSA?
  20. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    If a means could be devised to summarily revoke the enforcement powers of a cop who steps out of line? Absolutely. It would necessarily work differently than with TSA, since TSCs are not law-enforcement officers (or any kind of officers at all) and thus have no powers protecting them other than obstructionist management. If a method could be devised to create some sort of public-facing Internal Affairs position with arrest authority over local LEOs (add in some control circuitry for the cop's gun, taser, and spray so the IA overseer can transmit a disable signal to prevent the cop from harming the IA agent), I'd be 100% for it. Someone has to watch the watchers, and so far the police have been far too eager to cover for their own when the public tries to push back directly.

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