The TSA Just Won't Let Go

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  2. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    If faster and better isn't a "clear advantage to the federal government," then it simply begs the question: what is the federal government trying to achieve through the TSA?
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Yet SFO is widely cited among frequent flyers as evidence that private screeners won't be any better. Sounds like the actual metrics might say otherwise.
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    A jobs program for the unemployable.
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  5. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    That was one of my 'home' airports for quite some time. I've suffered through the megaphones, the yelling, the herding, etc., etc. Unless they've changed in the last year and half, they aren't much different than the TSA (in my experience).
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But take another look at what Elizabeth Conley quoted:

    The "leaked 2007 TSA study" is 5 years so, so maybe they've gone south, but this does not jive with the conventional wisdom regarding private screeners, esp. at SFO.
  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yeah, that's also what I've heard from people flying through SFO. The Master List has plenty of examples of abuse there as well.
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Very good, and depressing, comment from that WSJ article, by Laird Wilcox; excerpt (bolding mine):
    We've all talked to people like this. (expletive deleted), Michael Dresser of the Baltimore Sun actually told me in an email that he'd be all for cavity searches as long as everyone had to go through them. I kid you not. Still have the email.
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  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I would frame a story for TSA News around that email.
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  10. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I do not think privatized screeners are the panacea that conventional wisdom holds they will be.

    I have found screeners at SFO to be as militant, if not more so, than their counterparts elsewhere.

    That said, the screeners at SFO were the only ones, compared to PHX, SAN, SNA, LAX, SEA, and ORD who let my full-sized bottle of contact lens cleaning solution through once the amended liquids ban was amended to allow any size of liquid through so long as it was a declared medication, and OTC contact lens solution was specifically listed on the website, in a letter from some bigwig at TSA HQ on the website, and in an SSI Security Directive I got my hands on and carried around. All were deemed out of date, all airports did things "right" while the others were "wrong", many airports knew several things that would make me squeamish and blush if I only knew of the terrors only they knew and were protecting me from. All of it obviously postures to protect a clerk who had been initially wrong and had misunderstood the directive. I was also deemed a possible "terrorist suspect" because I had somehow managed to get my hands on a precious SD. Of course, none of them could explain why they weren't same having held same document in their own hands.

    Regardless, my bottle of medication was discarded in the trash by every airport I transited over a month's period except SFO. They actually followed the rules, stupid as they may be. And maybe that's the problem. It would appear that TSA invents ridiculous, over-the-top rules for privatized airports to make them seem more outrageous. :confused:
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  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I think it is thought that contract screeners might be more accountable to the public. I don't know if they would have any protections from prosecution like government screeners have.

    I want government out of our airports as much as possible and that includes government screeners. TSA funding needs to be cut to the bone.
  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I don't consider any airport that is required to follow TSA screening rules to be "privatized." All they need is a bag X-ray, a WTMD, and at least 3 ounces of common sense.
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  13. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Congress will pass a law protecting them because they are there to "protect" us. They will have the same immunity, and no accountability.

    And with TSA more "focused" on finding "threats" there'll be threats, and directives, and dictates aplenty. It will get worse under contract screeners. Not better.
  14. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    I'm certain the screeners at MCI are also private and were just nasty, barking, criticizing and condescending. I wanted to slap one of them for being such an (expletive deleted) and the surprising thing about her, she was about 65 years old...certainly not the kindly grandmotherly type.
  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, I've been chewing on that for almost two years. Problem is -- or maybe not -- it was an email exchange between the two of us that wasn't necessarily "for publication." I mean, I subscribe to the notion (the reality) that anything you put in writing can come back to haunt you, so you'd better not say anything in writing that you wouldn't say openly. There is nothing I've said/written to Michael Dresser or anyone else about the TSA that I haven't also written/said publicly in open forums such as this.

    But he didn't necessarily know I would someday write for something called TSA News. Or that a private email exchange wasn't so private.

    I don't know. I've mentioned his name and sentiments here before, so it's not like it's any big secret. Plus he's written columns about the TSA where it's very clear where he's coming from. I've called him an apologist in comments at the Sun. But publishing the actual email exchange? I don't know.

    I actually have a list of media people who are TSA apologists. It's not comprehensive, obviously -- who can keep track of these people -- but I just started making note of authors any time I saw a TSA suck-up article or op-ed or comment, with an eye towards someday putting it all together in a blog post or column.
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Sorry, but that "accountable" stuff is pie in the sky. Look at Wall Street. They crashed the flipping economy. We bailed their asses out. Have any of them been held "accountable"??

    Look at the Gulf Oil spill. Look at Bhopal. Enron. The S&L scandal where thousands of people lost their life savings. Accountable? Dream on.
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  17. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Are you kidding?!?!?!? He'd probably be proud of that sentiment being made public.

    Remember, there is almost nothing more shaming to a hetero American male than having his (expletive deleted) plundered. And to these guys it's sticking it to the terrorists and showing just how manly they are by offering up their own, and everyone else's, anal cavity for inspection. It's bizarre.
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Ah, good point.
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Not if done in a way to weaken the argument. I think the AFS crowd are basically cowards and need to be called out at every opportunity.
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, no argument there.

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